View Full Version : What's your reaction to the stock market rally, now almost 2 years old?

02-11-2011, 02:15 PM
what's your reaction to the stock market rally, now almost 2 years old?

02-11-2011, 02:19 PM
Close by!MHO!A.

Ag gnostic
02-11-2011, 02:30 PM
- kind of expected it (not a choice in the poll).

02-11-2011, 02:33 PM
Confirms the fraud that is being orchestrated by our government and mega-banks. I will not be a part of it. Just stacking as much as possible.

02-11-2011, 02:36 PM
all an illusion! :cool:

Ten bears
02-11-2011, 03:02 PM
When one looks at the Dow, and the S & P, it looks good. But volume is thin, mostly done by HFT, average position held for 11 seconds, and when you look at the Russell index, and the transportation index, both of those are much lower.

530 stocks is not enough to judge the true health of the market, it is sick when all factors are judged. There are thousands of stocks out there.


02-11-2011, 03:06 PM
The market is a good place to trade. A poor place to invest as I feel it's quite inflated.

02-11-2011, 03:17 PM
When it gets back to the 14,000 level it was at in 2007, the next crash will make the crash of 2009 look like a kiddie roller coaster. Of course I base this on nothing more than a hunch.

02-11-2011, 04:57 PM
Id like to see one of you smart chart making guys overlay a DOW chart from Feb, 2005 to Feb, 2007 and put that two year chart on top of a chart from Feb, 2009 to Feb, 2011. Am I the only one getting deja vous lately?

02-11-2011, 04:59 PM

Just normal trading; if it's not pm, it's banks, property, resources, tech, pharma, food.............................................. ..............................sigh

02-11-2011, 07:36 PM
I saw today where a CNBC guy pointed out that the last 5 months had one of the smoothest rides up ever.

There was only one day in the last 150+ where the market went up over 2%.


No analysis as to why.

It almost looked like it was planned.

02-11-2011, 07:44 PM
its total fraud..... banks propping the market up... i mean they had to i guess.... how high would gold be if the market tanked like it should have?:mad: :mad:

but the crash will not be as much fun im thinking.....

02-11-2011, 08:11 PM
I have literally held a continuous position in the market since 1989. 80% of my portfolio was invested in growth or value mutual funds and the S&P 500 Index. I always dollar-cost-averaged over the years as part of my 15% savings rate into my 401k.

I changed jobs and stopped contributing, but did not touch the 401k. I invested new money into Florida real estate and did well. Sold mostly everything before the crash, but did buy one property near the top which I still hold in addition to my residence.

About three years ago I tried to hedge 40% of my 401k into international funds and did ok. About a year later I moved back everything to the U.S. and rode it all the way down.

About a year ago I rebalanced my portfolio into a 50/50 Vangard small-cap fund and the S&P 500 index. I was never in cash and rode it all the way back up.

The lessons learned are this:

1. Real estate can lose value other than depreciation and it is not liquid during a recession or tight credit.

2. For a mature stock portfolio buy quality at the right price and add on dips. You lower your average cost or add to an existing run. In tough times quality does best whether it be gains or reduced losses.

3. It is ok to keep a percentage of your portfolio for trading or speculating which is different than rebalancing.

4. You can try to time the market by getting all in or all out, but dollar-cost averaging or buying on dips brought me better and lasting results.

02-11-2011, 10:28 PM
Stock market reminds me of the main street of those old Western towns, with their two storey facades masking the real town.

Bloomberg still hasn't gotten an answer as to what the Fed did with the $2 trillion - were they put to good use propping up the fortune 500, selectively bolstering particular insiders? When they declared the no-naked-shorting rule it only applied to a select group - that spoke volumes right there.

Then there is Max Keiser's insight regarding the preponderance of GS computer trading, which makes up something like 70% of all trades, and is able to jump in and shave a tiny fraction off legit trades, essentially acting like a parasite on the real trades, and let's not forget the naked shorting is still going on strong, ripping off legit ventures.

What if the Wall street banking insiders are able to use Fed fake money to create the illusion of a healthy stock market, thus drawing in dumb money and plundering it... in the end when the insider cronies rule the market, then they can pull the plug. This is all a rough guess from someone who is admittedly in no way a stock market expert - tifwiw.

As far as i know the SEC turned a blind eye to the Madoff ponzi for years... was it to protect other larger players in their schemes... players like GS, who place their execs in strategic positions, systemically turned a blind eye, letting employees focus on porn instead of suspicious insider trades. Keep in mind that Madoff wasn't just some scammer - he was one of the architects of the matrix.

02-11-2011, 10:33 PM
all an illusion! :cool:

This... without a doubt. A bubble re-inflated and nothing more.

02-12-2011, 04:18 AM
If the dollar is slowly eroding, shouldn't stocks go up?

Desert Diamond
02-12-2011, 09:43 AM
i have been taking half of all my profits from my oil drilling stocks and i have been buying gold :)

02-12-2011, 10:40 AM
The market rally is a result of inflation and manipulation, nothing more, but that's no reason to not profit from it.

02-12-2011, 11:56 AM
The market rally is a result of inflation and manipulation, nothing more, but that's no reason to not profit from it.


02-12-2011, 02:16 PM
Looks like rising interest rates are bullish for the markets,bond money flowing into to large cap and driving commodities.With the S$P up 100% you cant fight the Fed's POMO...all you can do is swing/day trade and put the proceeds into physical.The market does not reflect the street and the days of buy and hold at this level are done...the elevator ride down will be when they say its down.Big disappointment on jobs and the unemployment rate goes to 9% while the market floats up.We could have 60 million people on food stamps with a rate of 8% in QE3 and the market would be up.Who wants to down grade the lender of last resort and who owns the bond rating agencies.You cant shoot'em if your between them and the gun, just watch the bonds and buy the fd... personally I think the BIS is waiting to inject its moment of panic and solution once the masses get fleeced by stagflation...but you have to admit for now America's 401K's are up while other areas of the world are having food riots...bonappetit turn up the T.V. and pass the low sodium butter..

02-12-2011, 02:44 PM
Day trading only except with a miner stock that has been down since January.
Need a push from gold to sell that stock.

02-12-2011, 03:08 PM
Even the manipulated dow should have an 8 percent correction. Well at 12000
it probably should have. maybe up here at 12285 it may finally come.
I mean at least for show. This might be the right time so they can try and get silver paper a little lower so they can stock up on more physical.
Gold maybe to 1407 first then or actually goes back below 1350 for affect . Paper that is.
It`s just one big fing game they are playing.
And supposedly in two weeks we get some supportive info regarding silver
which may once again launch it higher again
So here we are ar 29.5/30. Do we get dn to 24.5/25 with a dow correction
followed by news which then takes us over 33. I wonder

02-12-2011, 04:20 PM
Fed Announces Weak POMO Schedule, Only $97 Billion In Monetizations For The Next Month


02-12-2011, 09:54 PM
When the Dow was cratering two years ago, I knew we were due for a big rally. When the Dow was at 7000, I did think that the Dow could hit 10k. But astonishingly we're 20 percent above that. I think it'll eventually challenge 14k. But the asset rise across the board has not so much to do with economic fundamentals as it has to do with inflation.

02-13-2011, 12:19 AM
I think that thing is going to get a peak like the Matterhorn pretty soon. I just he when it pounds down harder than 08 that gold and silver don't go with it.

02-13-2011, 07:43 AM
I don't see how the DOW could possibly crash unless Bernanke stopped monetizing debt, and Bernanke cannot stop monetizing debt or the treasury will default, which they will never allow to happen. Ergo, the DOW doesn't crash (in nominal terms anyway).

02-13-2011, 08:23 AM
If you tell a lie often enough people believe it.(Joseph Goebbels)
Sure markets are up but the insiders are still selling and transports are not confirming this run.

Would rather hold silver with investors putting equal weight gold in dollars to silver.Gold /silver dollars buying 1:1...gold/silver ratio 45:1...if you own silver you better make sure you have access to it.

Son of Isis
02-13-2011, 05:29 PM
Markets are up, wide range of US companies showing excellent profits.

Well if you have a company and you get rid of 20 to 40% of your employees and maintain producitivy and sales then of course the bottom line will reflect that. Send manufacturing and service jobs overseas in the name of Globalization and then devalue the currency through quantitative easing to crush local markets with cheap FRN's. I stopped "investing" in the markets because so many of the companies that turn good profits for their shareholders are ultimately morally decrepit. There is no such thing as a victimless crime and I do have a choice.

At least with PM's a person understands character traits such as purity, brilliance, assay, tarnish, amalglamation et al. and then comes to an informed decision. In the stock market none of these reliable weights and measures come into play and in the end the guy with the happy smile ended up being a shark.

Or you can ask what's the difference between investing in the stock market and Las Vegas? At least in Vegas you get a free drink.

02-13-2011, 07:27 PM
The dow in my opinion could go up to 18000 to 20000 with all the money the banks end up with. But becuase of monetary inflation a dow 20000 would really be like a dow of 14000 two years ago.

Most of the money in the world ends up in the commodities market. You add up all the markets in the world and it doesn't equal the money in the commodities market. The easy kill isn't in the 12 percent average that the dow stocks went up last year. It is in commodities where things are leveraged 15 to 1.