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cool_inv
03-12-2009, 11:49 AM
Hi Cyclist, I know this has prob been asked before but what is the US symbol to the HOU equivalent?

I think UCO is a close match to HOU.

AGoldhamster
03-12-2009, 11:58 AM
If you bankrupt OPEC nations it will spawn mega revolutions,bullish for Crude.
Soros is a maggot.

:D :D :D :D

AGoldhamster
03-12-2009, 11:59 AM
Hi Cyclist, I know this has prob been asked before but what is the US symbol to the HOU equivalent?
Go to first post of my thread ... and dig deeper, you'll find several solutions :)

fprefect42
03-12-2009, 11:59 AM
It is the 2X and 3X ETF's that are for Trading. Most other ETF's are no different than having a Mutual Fund. Only better as you can have a stop loss order.

This is true, but the original poster I responded to specifically mentioned the SRS which I know to be either a 2X or 3X ultra short real estate trading fund of some kind.

It was not my intent to criticize those who trade these products, but the original poster I believe had a valid point that I was in agreement with.

These products are for experienced traders and not appropriate for some who regularly post in this forum. If they what to make the decision to trade them, that's of course their prerogative, I simply don't believe they should be encouraged to do so until they have read and completely understand the prospectus.

F. Prefect

AGoldhamster
03-12-2009, 12:01 PM
Are there further suggestions for US traded energy trusts?

TRU 13.64%
PVX 13.62%
PWE 2.93%
AAV 2.46%
HTE 1.23%
BTE 0.99%
ENT -4.00%

mad mad world
03-12-2009, 12:08 PM
Are there further suggestions for US traded energy trusts?

TRU 13.64%
PVX 13.62%
PWE 2.93%
AAV 2.46%
HTE 1.23%
BTE 0.99%
ENT -4.00%

Anybody using the Market Maker as a online treading software ?

Somehow I am not getting any of above company in market maker...:mad:
Neither HOU even.....

Realvalue
03-12-2009, 12:28 PM
In regards to the BXK and SRS and other indicators as having a shelf life...
I am wondering if cyclist or others care to share on some thoughts...

As we enter less technical reliance from the past due to derivatives,...Knowledge of cycles/technicals and increasingly sophisticated speculation among greater amounts of individual capital/investors likely pushes on and influences a new pattern.

I have often thought that everyones expectation of a bear rally going to 10,000 is exactly the reason we haven't and won't have one in the future, no matter what technicals say should happen.

An algorithm that predicts the influence of the algorithms that exist on itself is the algorithm to have. Any thoughts?

MetalsKing
03-12-2009, 12:48 PM
Brought my position up to 50% in HOU

Day trade or will you hold this 50% position overnight?

MK

MetalsKing
03-12-2009, 01:05 PM
Sold the rest ,back to 0%.Nice lunchmoney

LOL, that answers my question. Enjoy your lunch!

MK

AGoldhamster
03-12-2009, 01:06 PM
they have to pull all available strings to keep this rally going ... da yen / BOJ since many hours ... and it would have stalled, dead in the water - if they hadn't crude and the buck available for gaming ... smells awfully rotten this rally .. like all da spinmasters ... igit igit.

Vangruv
03-12-2009, 01:07 PM
Cyclist, do you have any updated comments on ORV?

MetalsKing
03-12-2009, 01:09 PM
How crude! Yesterday and today have been rather wild in crude, just holding and accumulating my gassy trusts, PWE acting nicely.

MK

BeeTea
03-12-2009, 01:12 PM
Sold the rest ,back to 0%.Nice lunchmoney

After selling hOU, why would you not buy HOD?

zoezoe
03-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Cyclist, any info on the Euro if it breaks 1.25..tks

rtsang
03-12-2009, 01:23 PM
GDX is a good buy here.

shaunish
03-12-2009, 01:24 PM
Sold the rest ,back to 0%.Nice lunchmoney

love it
:D :D :D

wangmier
03-12-2009, 01:28 PM
I usually go for cash and wait for a pull back,either today or tomorrow.
This is my trading account that loves cash.



thank you for the call

comexdefault
03-12-2009, 01:29 PM
that the banks are rallying and so too is gold?

This is a new concept.

One of them is most assuredly WRONG!

rtsang
03-12-2009, 01:33 PM
That means gold is strong enough to against the correlation. I am trying to contribute some of my thought but not to ruin the thread. My count for the market is it could rally up until next Thursday/Friday. Does this match most people's thought?

horton99
03-12-2009, 02:32 PM
Nice Call on oil today cyclist. Bought DXO at 2.21 out at 2.54. SWEET.

Thanks.

MetalsKing
03-12-2009, 02:44 PM
Gassy's got GAS! Bought PWE at avg price 7.10 and AAV at average price of 2.03. PWE up 20%, AAV over 10%, I think they can go mega norte.

MK

Piled higher and Deeper
03-12-2009, 02:47 PM
Gassy's got GAS! Bought PWE at avg price 7.10 and AAV at average price of 2.03. PWE up 20%, AAV over 10%, I think they can go mega norte.

MK
MK,

Does this rally have legs, as Cyclist predicts, to at least DOW 7500?

exectech
03-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Gassy's got GAS! Bought PWE at avg price 7.10 and AAV at average price of 2.03. PWE up 20%, AAV over 10%, I think they can go mega norte.

MK

I'd keep a short term eye on pwe in here

MetalsKing
03-12-2009, 02:49 PM
MK,

Does this rally have legs, as Cyclist predicts, to at least DOW 7500?

I think 7400-7500 is a good possibility.

MK

dmid1
03-12-2009, 03:03 PM
I think 7400-7500 is a good possibility.

MK

Or is it finding resistance at 20 dma (7138)?

BeeTea
03-12-2009, 03:04 PM
Well, I was on the wrong side of oil today -- I had HOD from a low this morning, was ahead for a bit, then it started dropping like a dollar a minute and I froze.

Is this a "B" up from yesterday's plunge? Or something new that's got legs? Cyclist says HOU could go into the $4.80s tomorrow or Friday. That would save my HOD.

BeeTea
03-12-2009, 03:22 PM
Okay, but do you still see a dip into the $4.80s for HOU? You sold out of it, last I heard, so do you expect to be able to reacquire for less soon?

translation: I am trying to figure out whether to hold HOD overnight in hopes of salvation tomrrow, or sell it at a big loss.

BeeTea
03-12-2009, 03:24 PM
Prefect:

Sort of ... What I was saying was that sector by sector, the market is getting cleared out of its deadwood, leaving only survivors. At some point, a short is a bet against the survivors of the greatest bear market of the century. It's the law of diminishing returns. Low valuations is no promise of further lows. At some point the lows become a foundation for the future.

Majic
03-12-2009, 03:26 PM
Hi, Cyclist:
How long do you think this rally in the financials will last?
Until next week sometime, or...?

P.S. - I ask because I'm looking at PMI, which seems to have begun to bounce nicely.

TIA

jaydeeaye
03-12-2009, 03:37 PM
that the banks are rallying and so too is gold?

This is a new concept.

One of them is most assuredly WRONG!

If you have the time and energy, this article may prove enlightening:

http://theburningplatform.com/economy/grand-illusion---the-federal-reserve

It is a little "over the top" but I believe it's a fairly accurate summation.

zoezoe
03-12-2009, 03:43 PM
hou & bac today, tks Cyclist & Ken..)

AllthatglittersisPD
03-12-2009, 03:51 PM
Are you holding Citi until Dow 7500 then?

Majic
03-12-2009, 03:53 PM
I will be out of financials when 7500 is hit,else have a trailing stops along the way.

Thanks, Cyclist.
Will keep an eye on that number.

shaunish
03-12-2009, 04:07 PM
POU shot out of the gate,nice launch.NAE.un up 14%

i saw that, minutes after you bought it went up a good 7%, amazing call. what are your targets for this?

karma
03-12-2009, 04:09 PM
Hfu having a very nice rally ! up 46% in three days. Very powerful rally in the financials indeed!
its looking a little top heavy on the 60 min.

Still learning but I have learned much from all that post on this board in the last year. The hard work and heaps of patience is finally starting to reward. Ego in check, stop loss points recalculated and working. Charts are my savior.

AllthatglittersisPD
03-12-2009, 04:10 PM
Nice call on POU. I will buy some asap tomorrow. I'm looking for a 2-3 month hold stock, this one sounds good.

Mike W
03-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Hey, Cyclist:

What are your thoughts on HAU? Any hope for this or is money better placed elsewhere for the next few months? I've been thinking of closing out part of it at a loss as nothing has been happening here.

Cheers,

DeLux
03-12-2009, 04:58 PM
This is my first post however I have been on the sidelines watching for weeks.
I have grown to appreciate the wisdom and vision that so many of you have. My goal is to buy some more gold to hold on to. The cart I'm looking at looks like the 30 min. highs are getting higher and the lows are getting higher. Is now the time to buy? Or will it come down Monday as it so often does?
Thank you in advance for your advice.

rtsang
03-12-2009, 05:07 PM
While you guys are watching rally of DOW, GDX is leading the gold to rally again.

Pangaea
03-12-2009, 05:08 PM
Just found this article on HR 699

http://www.icmj.com/article.php?id=56&keywords=Rahall_Proposes_Bill_to_End_All_Mining_in _the_U.S

Any comments?

DeLux
03-12-2009, 05:12 PM
I have learned that I need to have at least 50% in physical gold and am ready to add to my holdings but want to pick the best time. I fear that I suffer paralysis by analysis. Have I missed the chance to get gold at under $900?

MarcV
03-12-2009, 06:01 PM
Just found this article on HR 699

http://www.icmj.com/article.php?id=56&keywords=Rahall_Proposes_Bill_to_End_All_Mining_in _the_U.S

Any comments?

In our area, Northern Illinois, mining is for gravel in open pits. If that is stopped, all cement construction will stop. Thus no houses, no new building in Chicago, no highways, no road maintenance.

I don't think the bill will pass when congressmen realize that they will no longer get contributions (money, cash, bribes, PAC assistance, etc.) from construction companies and their unions.

eurotrash
03-12-2009, 06:11 PM
Cyclist,

I guess that the "panic in the markets" for March 11 has been put off for awhile, eh? :eek:

I'm thinking in the next few weeks, trapping all these newfound bulls, but my guess is as good as any.

50BMG
03-12-2009, 06:53 PM
physical is a buy anytime

Wonderful!!!
What happened to "Gold can go below 890"?
:confused: :mad:

rodin
03-12-2009, 07:00 PM
Just found this article on HR 699

http://www.icmj.com/article.php?id=56&keywords=Rahall_Proposes_Bill_to_End_All_Mining_in _the_U.S

Any comments?

Pangaea is a False Flag

Just like Rodinia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U

sjsshuswap
03-12-2009, 10:19 PM
Wonderful!!!
What happened to "Gold can go below 890"?
:confused: :mad:

.... the opertive word here is CAN .... doesn't mean it will....:) :)

cherithomas
03-12-2009, 10:21 PM
Cyclist

friday 13th tommorow....another bear market rally day?


Is it just rumour about all those Iranian tankers full of oil sitting ?
wouldn't they be easy targets?.....
who can hold their breath the longest?, Iran ,or the Globalists?
do you see oil a hold for a massive rise this year or 2010?

Cyclist whats your thoughts on shorting the 30yr US treasury bonds 6-9 mths out?

Soros a maggot......
isn't Soros just a front man for the Rothchilds?...another NWO Globalist worm POS

Thankyou .

migold
03-12-2009, 10:30 PM
Wonderful!!!
What happened to "Gold can go below 890"?
:confused: :mad:

Two different use cases. Physical at anywhere near current prices +-$100 is fine for long term stacking. That is why you would buy physical. Physical $890 vs. $930 won't matter too much in the long run. Price below $890 would matter more if you are only short-term trading paper gold. Two different things.

shaunish
03-13-2009, 12:25 AM
Soros is a maggot.

Couldn't agree more

tom7lee
03-13-2009, 12:46 AM
I will be out of financials when 7500 is hit,else have a trailing stops along the way.

any update with general market march 16 and afterwards? Is the market going down big march 16?

pedroxico
03-13-2009, 06:25 AM
The mainmarket will go into a protracted downspin the entire next week.
All sorts of cycles converging next week

Cyclist, I love your thread but take a look at one of yours last week forecast

eurotrash
03-13-2009, 06:54 AM
Cyclist, I love your thread but take a look at one of yours last week forecast

It would be nice to hear people admit they were wrong once in awhile. Blindly following someone who makes bold calls is a sure way to lose money.

Now before you all jump down my throat, I appreciate cyclist's work and contributions, I just don't see him as a market prophet as many here apparently do.

Having said that I've been wrong plenty of times, so maybe a good strategy would be to fade my calls.

pedroxico
03-13-2009, 07:06 AM
It would be nice to hear people admit they were wrong once in awhile. Blindly following someone who makes bold calls is a sure way to lose money.

Now before you all jump down my throat, I appreciate cyclist's work and contributions, I just don't see him as a market prophet as many here apparently do.

Having said that I've been wrong plenty of times, so maybe a good strategy would be to fade my calls.

Very well said. And if someone believes that Cyclist, or anyone else, can actualy make this calls, they are simply dreaming.

Cyclist just makes better calls than most. And that is way we are all following his tread.

fl57caveman
03-13-2009, 07:07 AM
If you have the time and energy, this article may prove enlightening:

http://theburningplatform.com/economy/grand-illusion---the-federal-reserve

It is a little "over the top" but I believe it's a fairly accurate summation.
wonderful article, i have read much of it in other places, nice to see it all gathered together..still reading. no, i don't think it is over the top at all..

but what does it have to do with gold and bank stocks rising at the same time?

Falcon7
03-13-2009, 07:42 AM
wonderful article, i have read much of it in other places, nice to see it all gathered together..still reading. no, i don't think it is over the top at all..

but what does it have to do with gold and bank stocks rising at the same time?

Maybe the rise has something to do with an anticipation of coming inflation?

BTW this is even more revealing and detailed material about FED etc (16 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwM4W96Ay0

AGoldhamster
03-13-2009, 08:09 AM
What about taking that garbage ... wrong calls or right call by Cyclist ... to another place.

If you are guest somewhere - do you also start a discussion on whether the soup was correct or wrong?

You will only do, if you are bad mannered.

My guess is there here's nobody here, not a single one, which is able to provide so much input and help in the way Cyclist does.
For free.

Who else is?
Hey - who????

So again - get your garbage else were. It's distgusting.
Really.

PS: it's like having lunch 365 days - for free. And then start moaning, beefing ... :mad:
ASHAME OF YOU!

eurotrash
03-13-2009, 08:27 AM
What about taking that garbage ... wrong calls or right call by Cyclist ... to another place.

If you are guest somewhere - do you also start a discussion on whether the soup was correct or wrong?

You will only do, if you are bad mannered.

My guess is there here's nobody here, not a single one, which is able to provide so much input and help in the way Cyclist does.
For free.

Who else is?
Hey - who????

So again - get your garbage else were. It's distgusting.
Really.

PS: it's like having lunch 365 days - for free. And then start moaning, beefing ... :mad:
ASHAME OF YOU!

Look AG,

I'm not getting into this whole thing with you.

But it is not bad mannered to warn some newbies that come to this thread and bet the farm because they see that everyone here believes cyclist is some kind of market prophet and is always right. I think it is relevant that people point this out so that less experienced people don't get hurt.

I also stated that I appreciate cyclist's work and effort, as I appreciate yours and others here. I know no one is 100% accurate. I never expected otherwise.

Theres is nothing disgusting regarding what I wrote. I'm sure cyclist was not offended in any way. What is ill mannered is calling other people's opinions garbage or preventing others from stating dissenting opinions.

You should be ashamed of yourself for your reaction. Censorship and cult of personality are OK in North Korea, not here.

Piled higher and Deeper
03-13-2009, 08:28 AM
AG,

I think that you have over-reacted to the point raised as a follow-on to an earlier call of Cyclists that did not turn out.

1. If Cyclist saw something last week, and the opposite happened, have the calls going forward been affected. ie, has this been a polarity shift?

2. Cyclist is right way more than he is wrong, and way more than any of us mere mortals. His insight in the future movement of the markets is without match.

However, each of us must remember that he is offering guidance and suggestion only, individually, each of those trading are responsible for the trades that are executed, not Cyclist. And reminding each other that some of the predictions don't work as expected should help keep us aware to make our own decisions, and our own levels of risk, using Cyclists calls as high probability outcomes.

Metaphysics
03-13-2009, 08:30 AM
Look AG,

Censorship and cult of personality are OK in North Korea, not here.

Ummmm, have you seen the new US administration lately. Just sayin.

pezzodimerda
03-13-2009, 08:30 AM
Everyone be careful who you folllow. After-all this is a forum with wannabe traders on it.

migold
03-13-2009, 08:31 AM
Thoughts on the rally continuing today? Will we see 7500? Made some good change on UWM yesterday, but all it did was get me to break-even for the week after my prior shorts got hosed. Would like to come out on top today.

Crude and POG going vertical yesterday didn't help. Looks like POG is a rocket again this morning. Hopefully a sell off on the OPEC decision will drop it again Monday. Any thoughts?

AGoldhamster
03-13-2009, 08:44 AM
My dear friends - it is one story to have free lunch and moaning and requesting the ower of this thread to concede that he is wrong ... just for EGOMANICS.

And it is another story requesting freedom for speak and opinion.
I'm against it - if it just serves some frustrated egomanics which aren't able to trade according to da rules. Say don't understand what trading means - and are still in the childhood dreamin of crytallballs out there.
Cyclist is not god - and everybody here expecting Cyclist to be god is an ... you know what i mean.

It is not the first time this happens here. And it is not the first time cyclist has enough of it.

At some point it will be enough.

For me it's enough - better serve time in getting ready that website.

migold
03-13-2009, 08:54 AM
Well that is nice ,if you look at my previous posts yesterday when I posted my buys and the previous days buying oil and gas trusts.Plus telling that we had a break out in the mainmarket,it is unfortunate that people don't read.:cool:

Cyclist, Those posts over the last two days saved my ass. I would have been underwater if not for keying off of them. Thank you!

Any thoughts on crude and gold? Seems like both are nearing short-term resistance crude 47-49, gold 938-942... I'm thinking sell on OPEC news?

tcg1022
03-13-2009, 09:01 AM
:D Dont worry be happy!!! Anyone can pick out one post ignoring others and come to any general assumption that fits their opinion. I say its time to get back to the business of the Cyclists thread ENOUGH of the non sense.

Cyclist,

With the 16th-18 approaching fast would now be a good time to begin phasing into miners again or with recent upswing do you feel they will retest previous lows anytime soon?

I been phasing into crude and will continue 30-40% now. Do you feel that with the OPEC meeting taking place and production obviously will decrease do you feel crude witll break 50 Monday or next week?

Still setting on the sidelines here being patient.

Thanks as always

cherithomas
03-13-2009, 09:02 AM
Happy Friday the 13th Cyclist.

Cyclist whats your thoughts on shorting the 30yr US treasury bonds 6-9 mths out?
And Bretton Woods II and the upcoming G20 .Cyclist what are your thoughts on Bretton Woods II and its effects on the Gold price?
I read that the world bank under Bretton Woods II would set currency differentials between nations.
Do you see an "agreement " to wipe all debt and "start over " with this new system? & thus come up with a engineered "solution
to stop currency carry trade fluctuations and wild inflation in nations on the end of a carry trade(or at least how they will sell a global new order in banking?
If Bretton Woods II plays out how will it affect the gold price?
which currencies will be winners or losers?
or am I off track?

Thankyou

comexdefault
03-13-2009, 09:08 AM
if you are new to trading, buy gold coins, close down your brokerage account and go garden. There is no way you will survive this volatility.

Cyclist will tell you that gold is going much higher for some time. Don't trade in and out if you do not have the skill set. Just buy the coins and punch up the price once a week.

Looking to cyclist to get you in and out of your trades every hour is a joke and quite frankly absurd.

hiimdoug
03-13-2009, 09:10 AM
A little OT, but:

Michael Jordan is a 6 times NBA champion, 5 time NBA MVP and to many is considered the greatest NBA player of all time, and possibly one of the greatest athletes to ever live. Jordan has a remarkable 25 game winning shots in his professional career; amazingly he has 26 game winning misses.

If you are stupid enough to judge someone a success or failure when they’re the only one who is willing to step up and take a shot and overlook every thing in the middle that got them there, then you’re an idiot and you should lose your money.

We love your work and are able to appreciate all of it! Thanks Cyclist =)

horton99
03-13-2009, 09:11 AM
Easy guys. Cyclist followed up his panic call last week with a call that we might get a rally to 7500 early this week. This was an update to what his methods were telling. Many doubted that the rally would come but here it is. Many doubt that we will get another panic down but who knows. With good money management you don't have to be right even 50% of the time to make money. Cyclist's input is usually profitable 70-80% of the time. Also he has said time and again "Time is more important the price." There are certain time periods that you should be in a position for profit, there are certain time periods where you should be very careful.

Again cyclist, I am not a cultist, but I so much appreciate your input and especially the teaching us to catch our own fish.

pedroxico
03-13-2009, 09:13 AM
Well that is nice ,if you look at my previous posts yesterday when I posted my buys and the previous days buying oil and gas trusts.Plus telling that we had a break out in the mainmarket,it is unfortunate that people don't read.:cool:

Cyclist,

I do read. That is why I posted your wrong forecast of last week. The reason I keep reading your thread is because you are many more times right than wrong.

It seams that you have some sensitive readers out there. I am sure you were not as affected as them with my earlier post.

I believe that mentioning some of your wrong calls will give more credibility to your thread. It is in no way my intention to attack it. In fact this is the only worthwhile tread out there.

Keep on with your good.

MetalsKing
03-13-2009, 09:13 AM
Canuck buck bullish, should have a minimum rally to 85. Enjoy life!

MK

hiimdoug
03-13-2009, 09:23 AM
Canuck buck bullish, should have a minimum rally to 85. Enjoy life!

MK

MK, (or anyone for that matter) do you have any long term thoughts on the Canadian Dollar?

I live in michigan and am very close to CA border, would it be worth having a little CAD shtf, or would it be a waste and is Gold just that much stronger?

mozart13
03-13-2009, 09:36 AM
Cyclist would you say this is good entry for HGD, for few days?
Thx!
mozart

SpiderMan
03-13-2009, 09:37 AM
Cyclist,
what do you think of gold now?
was it a false breakout before a plunge?

thanks!

SpiderMan
03-13-2009, 10:06 AM
yeah...
i expected that ...
Friday 13 today...

AllthatglittersisPD
03-13-2009, 10:18 AM
Would you buy C at this point?

redsea
03-13-2009, 10:19 AM
I suggest to stop talking in this topic again

My dear friends - it is one story to have free lunch and moaning and requesting the ower of this thread to concede that he is wrong ... just for EGOMANICS.

And it is another story requesting freedom for speak and opinion.
I'm against it - if it just serves some frustrated egomanics which aren't able to trade according to da rules. Say don't understand what trading means - and are still in the childhood dreamin of crytallballs out there.
Cyclist is not god - and everybody here expecting Cyclist to be god is an ... you know what i mean.

It is not the first time this happens here. And it is not the first time cyclist has enough of it.

At some point it will be enough.


For me it's enough - better serve time in getting ready that website.

skylab
03-13-2009, 10:22 AM
I suggest to stop talking in this topic again

I agree with this

cswc1021
03-13-2009, 10:23 AM
Cyclist when you said you are expecting a high in $/Yen on your March 18th turn period - Does this mean Yen strength as in $/JPY diving or did you mean Yen weakness as in $/JPY rising. In forex terms when one says 'a top in Yen' it could mean a top in Yen pairs meaning Yen strength. :confused:

Thanks

shaunish
03-13-2009, 10:36 AM
MK,

When are you hopping out of the gassy trusts?

JohnGalt
03-13-2009, 10:39 AM
This oil/gas stock has no debt and has some nice lands,check it out.
Including it owns 60% of TET.un.20 dollars could be the target at least it will double.

Cyclist - looks good, however I'm looking for some oil/gas stocks with no debt that trade in US. HGT is one gas trust I've been looking at. Can you provide any names that I can research. Thanks and keep it up. Your calls have been a great addition to my own work.

MetalsKing
03-13-2009, 10:43 AM
I think a several week at least rally has just begun in the gassy's, look for rallies to 50-day moving averages at least. For example in PWE the 50-day is now at 10.63 and falling, in AAV it is at 3.47. That's my take now, of course my opinion could change.

MK

AllthatglittersisPD
03-13-2009, 10:51 AM
POU down today, would it be a good entry point or do you think it could fall lower?

Edit: It pretty much recovered already so I'm going in! I looked at the company website, looks like they are in very solid position. Thanks for the tip.

horton99
03-13-2009, 11:10 AM
Several very long red candles on the DOW 5 and 10 minutes. Longest in 3 days. Rally over?

SpiderMan
03-13-2009, 11:18 AM
Cyclist,

could you please let us know what you think about gold now?
a mad market today:eek:
was the breakout false? you still expect a low on March 18?

rtsang
03-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Would you buy C at this point?

I definitely won't.

shaunish
03-13-2009, 11:30 AM
I think a several week at least rally has just begun in the gassy's, look for rallies to 50-day moving averages at least. For example in PWE the 50-day is now at 10.63 and falling, in AAV it is at 3.47. That's my take now, of course my opinion could change.

MK

I got in to PWE yesterday at 7.91 - just set my stop to 8, its turned a little bearish this morning.

migold
03-13-2009, 11:32 AM
I think a several week at least rally has just begun in the gassy's, look for rallies to 50-day moving averages at least. For example in PWE the 50-day is now at 10.63 and falling, in AAV it is at 3.47. That's my take now, of course my opinion could change.

MK

PWE and AAV love 'em. Also thinking about a different angle for long-terrm...OIS. Provides products and services to oil/gas drillers. Topped at 64, bottomed at 11, now at 12.x... Financials aren't too bad. Cramer diss'd them, so...

MetalsKing
03-13-2009, 11:39 AM
Crude, if it closes at 47-48 looks very bullish to me. A second week's closing above the 50-day mvg avg and a higher close then last week, with the wild trading and decline earlier in the week to shake the tree and get the weak folks out. Beautiful and bullish trading to my eyes.

MK

Odins
03-13-2009, 11:41 AM
Well that is nice ,if you look at my previous posts yesterday when I posted my buys and the previous days buying oil and gas trusts.Plus telling that we had a break out in the mainmarket,it is unfortunate that people don't read.:cool:

Cyclist,
What is the BKX telling you this morning?

retro
03-13-2009, 11:54 AM
DJI rally is in trouble

BKX aka KBW Bank Index 24.75 (4.66%)

migold
03-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Thoughts on any of these... BTE, ERF, HTE, PGH, PVX?

wgadget
03-13-2009, 12:11 PM
Dow down 18 at last look.

Good for our Precious?

Correction: Dow down 41.

Well, I declay-ah. A little thing like credit card defaults causing the banking stocks to fall?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aAJRRhfN5XOQ&refer=home

exectech
03-13-2009, 12:13 PM
I got in to PWE yesterday at 7.91 - just set my stop to 8, its turned a little bearish this morning.

Hope you don't get whiplashed on that stop. Maybe it will reverse around 8.11

Silvermonkey
03-13-2009, 01:00 PM
Thoughts on any of these... BTE, ERF, HTE, PGH, PVX?

Cyclist likes ERF

I own PVX and PGH. PVX has a lot of midstream business, PGH has a lot of nat. gas. Neither are big into oil sands. Both were down 80% from its high. PVX has halved it debt recently. I hold both long term.

FoxTrot
03-13-2009, 01:11 PM
Was considered a gift in Oct '08.

Covers most of these trusts.

Another stab in the mid $3 range would be an even nicer gift.

dafreak
03-13-2009, 01:11 PM
Anyone else get the feeling that the markets are going to rally big into the close?

AllthatglittersisPD
03-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Anyone else get the feeling that the markets are going to rally big into the close?

I get that feeling. Would give everyone a warm, fuzzy weekend of optimism. I see the markets, including oil and PMs all going into the weekend in the green.

retro
03-13-2009, 01:47 PM
I get that feeling. Would give everyone a warm, fuzzy weekend of optimism. I see the markets, including oil and PMs all going into the weekend in the green.

Crude and Copper have helped us today and are leading.

The bankster index is rebounding off todays. However I doubt it will close in the black and next week is likely to be rocky for the DJI.

I missed my chance to off load my favourite US penny stock today, as I was at the barbers. :D

What do you guys use to trade with on the go? I'd get a iPhone however I've heard that the battery live is poor.

Reich
03-13-2009, 01:54 PM
I get that feeling. Would give everyone a warm, fuzzy weekend of optimism. I see the markets, including oil and PMs all going into the weekend in the green.

feeling is the enemy of the fact, lol:D

Silvermonkey
03-13-2009, 02:04 PM
Was considered a gift in Oct '08.

Covers most of these trusts.

Another stab in the mid $3 range would be an even nicer gift.

The real gift was last week when they hit all time lows.

JohnGalt
03-13-2009, 02:06 PM
Crude and Copper have helped us today and are leading.

The bankster index is rebounding off todays. However I doubt it will close in the black and next week is likely to be rocky for the DJI.

I missed my chance to off load my favourite US penny stock today, as I was at the barbers. :D

What do you guys use to trade with on the go? I'd get a iPhone however I've heard that the battery live is poor.

I have the iphone and it is truly amazing. I had the blackberry and treo in the past and looked at all three before deciding on the iphone. I am not an active trader, i'm a value investor, so I don't know what trading apps are available on the iphone. the battery life is only an issue if your running a big app like game (kids drain my battery when they get a hold of it) or video, or constantly on the internet. That said I find the battery life to be as good as the blackberry and treo.

ibex66
03-13-2009, 02:09 PM
Weak handed shorts will be covering before the weekend just like last week.

Bruce7Trader
03-13-2009, 02:14 PM
Anyone else get the feeling that the markets are going to rally big into the close?

I'm in on the rally! Been keeping my eye on the shorts and the action on several of my cuffent holdings BNP.UN and also BTE.UN I added PVE.UN @ 3.21 my entry was wrong but the news release shows the value of this trust. Yes i'm with you on the thinking of a rally to the close. Let those profit takers step out in the morning trade and we will see the buyers back up the truck.

B7T:eek:

I was the buyer of JAG at the open added 2,000 shares to keep the trade in JAG honest!


Been keeping posted at the Pawn Shops as the people are starting to sell the best gold they have. Wedding rings are starting to come in faster then a few weeks ago. This indication tells me we be close to a bottom on the DOW. :eek:

HotRod
03-13-2009, 02:32 PM
Bruce,

Does that mean you are comin back to gold stocks?

Never thought you would be one to dump all your goldies.

John T
03-13-2009, 02:35 PM
The way you have been calling the dow lately bruce..... I'm packing my bags... :) :) :)

greenbeard
03-13-2009, 02:52 PM
Selling gold at a pawn shop says more about the people losing jobs,nothing to do with the price of gold or a bottom in the economy. This is a bear market bounce.


I'm in on the rally! Been keeping my eye on the shorts and the action on several of my cuffent holdings BNP.UN and also BTE.UN I added PVE.UN @ 3.21 my entry was wrong but the news release shows the value of this trust. Yes i'm with you on the thinking of a rally to the close. Let those profit takers step out in the morning trade and we will see the buyers back up the truck.

B7T:eek:

I was the buyer of JAG at the open added 2,000 shares to keep the trade in JAG honest!


Been keeping posted at the Pawn Shops as the people are starting to sell the best gold they have. Wedding rings are starting to come in faster then a few weeks ago. This indication tells me we be close to a bottom on the DOW. :eek:

tcg1022
03-13-2009, 02:56 PM
Been keeping posted at the Pawn Shops as the people are starting to sell the best gold they have. Wedding rings are starting to come in faster then a few weeks ago. This indication tells me we be close to a bottom on the DOW. :eek:



Suckers Rally........... I am thinking buy alotta SRS at the close for the turmoil that will unfold on Monday from this Suckers Rally.

greenbeard
03-13-2009, 03:30 PM
Be careful, this rally could go on for another week. This coming form a big bear.

Suckers Rally........... I am thinking buy alotta SRS at the close for the turmoil that will unfold on Monday from this Suckers Rally.

ferndave
03-13-2009, 04:36 PM
Be careful, this rally could go on for another week. This coming form a big bear.

I agree. There may be some chop, but 7500 is still in the cards.

50BMG
03-13-2009, 05:02 PM
Two different use cases. Physical at anywhere near current prices +-$100 is fine for long term stacking. That is why you would buy physical. Physical $890 vs. $930 won't matter too much in the long run. Price below $890 would matter more if you are only short-term trading paper gold. Two different things.

Thanks for the reply MiGold...
Maybe I'm just not as rich as you guys, but $40/oz price diff. over 20+ oz purchased is $800!!! That's a whole additional ounce (almost)...!!!
I've seen $500/"pop" hookers that are hot enough to pose in Playboy that I could spend that $800 on! LOL... Heck, for $800, I could have said hooker bring a friend and have a two-fer with a couple hotties... !!!
LoL...
(Note to self; NEVER let your wife get on this forum! LoL...)

I guess I should have just gone with my own thoughts and bought at $892 the other day (which this thread disuade me from doing)... My bad....:(

AllthatglittersisPD
03-13-2009, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the reply MiGold...
Maybe I'm just not as rich as you guys, but $40/oz price diff. over 20+ oz purchased is $800!!! That's a whole additional ounce (almost)...!!!
I've seen $500/"pop" hookers that are hot enough to pose in Playboy that I could spend that $800 on! LOL... Heck, for $800, I could have said hooker bring a friend and have a two-fer with a couple hotties... !!!
LoL...
(Note to self; NEVER let your wife get on this forum! LoL...)

I guess I should have just gone with my own thoughts and bought at $892 the other day (which this thread disuade me from doing)... My bad....:(

Maybe if you weren't a dog and spending money on "hot" hookers, you would be as rich as some people here. I really hope your wife finds out, that's just wrong!

dafreak
03-13-2009, 10:48 PM
Hint> delete your post.

Cut the guy some slack. I dont think he was being serious. What happened to men in this Country. Everyone has to be metrosexual!

GoldBricker
03-14-2009, 12:55 AM
Maybe if you weren't a dog and spending money on "hot" hookers, you would be as rich as some people here. I really hope your wife finds out, that's just wrong!

Just think of all the hookers you could have had if you had sold your 3.5 oz of rhodium before the market crashed. Electric cars now. No more need for Rhodium so no hookers for you.

Nelderand
03-14-2009, 02:23 AM
Oh, thanks.............now, I feel like the hooker police.

goldstar2001
03-14-2009, 11:34 AM
I agree. There may be some chop, but 7500 is still in the cards.

We already blew past the DOW 20-day MA and if this rally has legs we should overshoot the 50-day MA (DOW ~7825) as well for just over a 10 % advance from current levels.

tcg1022
03-14-2009, 11:40 AM
Be careful, this rally could go on for another week. This coming form a big bear.

I concur just wanted to see what you guys would say. standing aside and waitng on 7500 myself.

Will continue to phase into DXO when it is under 2.30-2.25 for the big ride up that I see coming. As far as SRS goes Cyclists mentioned a cyclical high this Monday I beleive, now it looks like it could be a cyclical low. Makes me wonder whats going to happen but will err to the side of caution.
Waiting for the DOW to make a downward spiral sometime next week.

Could it be possible that Cyclists is right but his timing may just be off by a week? I dunno just a thought. Time will tell.

migold
03-14-2009, 11:56 AM
Cyclist likes ERF

I own PVX and PGH. PVX has a lot of midstream business, PGH has a lot of nat. gas. Neither are big into oil sands. Both were down 80% from its high. PVX has halved it debt recently. I hold both long term.

Picked up some PVX yesterday, looks good. Nice divvy. Did you see AAV yesterday? Yowzah!!! Oh, happy days for the trusts :D

MetalsKing
03-14-2009, 12:11 PM
Picked up some PVX yesterday, looks good. Nice divvy. Did you see AAV yesterday? Yowzah!!! Oh, happy days for the trusts :D


It's incredible the hammering the gassy's have taken, if crude continues to stabilize and recover the rallies in the gassy's should be awesome on a percentage basis. AAV yesterday was stellar, amazing I bought it at an average price of 2.02 earlier in the week!

MK

redsea
03-14-2009, 01:15 PM
I bought Gold at $900 and re-bought at $930

I think the it will hit $942

why do you think it will return to 80x

and what about the wed18 march?

AllthatglittersisPD
03-14-2009, 02:46 PM
Just think of all the hookers you could have had if you had sold your 3.5 oz of rhodium before the market crashed. Electric cars now. No more need for Rhodium so no hookers for you.

Ah, one member of the I-have-to-pay-for-sex club defending another member. Fwiw, I am a woman, so I don't need to pay for it ;) . I bought my rhodium a few months ago. So all cars are now electric, huh? Wow, that was a mighty fast transition! Where did you come from anyway? Feelings towards total strangers run deep in this place.:rolleyes:

AllthatglittersisPD
03-14-2009, 02:57 PM
It's incredible the hammering the gassy's have taken, if crude continues to stabilize and recover the rallies in the gassy's should be awesome on a percentage basis. AAV yesterday was stellar, amazing I bought it at an average price of 2.02 earlier in the week!

MK

So if crude goes up the gassies will rally? How long do you think this would last? Weeks or months? I've got some cash I want to invest, might be the last chance to make some awesome profits in a short time. Are you holding AAV for awhile? I hate to buy a stock that went up 15% in one day unless it's really undervalued.

John T
03-14-2009, 03:03 PM
Ah, one member of the I-have-to-pay-for-sex club defending another member. Fwiw, I am a woman, so I don't need to pay for it ;) . I bought my rhodium a few months ago. So all cars are now electric, huh? Wow, that was a mighty fast transition! Where did you come from anyway? Feelings towards total strangers run deep in this place.:rolleyes:



One way or another........................we all pay for it.........hehehehe:)

denaliguide
03-14-2009, 03:47 PM
make me wonder, but the Riddell's have seemed to have it going on in this sphere, so I'd be inclined to probably have some of each, at these prices. For whatever reason, TET has taken off before either POU or PMT, why I do not yet know.

As to any 'critique' of Cyclist's calls, I suggest before anyone THINKS of so doing, they need to step it up and equal or exceed his record of service and calls, BEFORE they reveal what they DO NOT KNOW, and try to deal with the normal deficiencies that go with this territory.

I know when I am wrong, I know when he is wrong, and trust me, he knows when he is wrong, for he never stands on pride, but rather jumps right back in with the appropriate adjustment. We all remember, dont we, that we jumped into this pond of speculation to "bear risk" in hopes of rewards, so we dont expect to get spoon-fed, do we now?

Cyclist, from DG, thanks for all that you do, thanks for putting up with the negative also, and hanging tuff. You know my door is always open....

Good Luck All,

DG


This oil/gas stock has no debt and has some nice lands,check it out.
Including it owns 60% of TET.un.20 dollars could be the target at least it will double.

sulavaca
03-14-2009, 05:12 PM
and what about the wed18 march?

Blackout period when companies cannot trade in their own stocks and cannot report on their conditions I think. Earning reports will come out on or after that date and then the world will realize just how bad things are getting and will jump straight into gold.

eqrgargbargb
03-15-2009, 06:53 AM
do the numbers 309.6 51.6 8.6 mean much to anyone please?

nofixedaddress
03-15-2009, 09:18 AM
do the numbers 309.6 51.6 8.6 mean much to anyone please?
Kondratieff wave.
309.6 year Princeton model ,51.6 year cycles ,8.6 year cycle
ps. tide tables tell the prudent navigator when there is enough water to float his vessel over the bar. Every so often a ship is wrecked due to storm surge ... offshore hurricane disrupts the tide tables ... navigator should have been listening to the news instead of burying his nose in the tables ... jmho.

flags
03-15-2009, 11:45 AM
I bought Gold at $900 and re-bought at $930

I think the it will hit $942

why do you think it will return to 80x

and what about the wed18 march?

I think we go up from here. I'm back in after re-buying in 3 tranches of 935, 909 and 898. The charts look great. The weekly chart looks spectacular with 5 straight weeks closing over the breakpoint, including last weeks retest of the breakout and the uptrend line. The uptrend line on the daily chart is further strenghened by the 50 dma straddling along for the ride. We may see some futher sideways action around the mid 900's, but these are harder calls to make. This is as good a time as any to get in. If 900 breaks down we've got problems...but i'm not expecting this.

We've also had the 50dma cross over the 200dma. For some reason this can sometimes cause an immediate short-term sell off, before the real move up begins. We've just had that with the move down from 1000 to 890ish. I've gotta believe we are going up now to retest the highs. Good luck all!

harryclam
03-15-2009, 12:01 PM
I think we go up from here. I'm back in after re-buying in 3 tranches of 935, 909 and 898. The charts look great. The weekly chart looks spectacular with 5 straight weeks closing over the breakpoint, including last weeks retest of the breakout and the uptrend line. The uptrend line on the daily chart is further strenghened by the 50 dma straddling along for the ride. We may see some futher sideways action around the mid 900's, but these are harder calls to make. This is as good a time as any to get in. If 900 breaks down we've got problems...but i'm not expecting this.

We've also had the 50dma cross over the 200dma. For some reason this can sometimes cause an immediate short-term sell off, before the real move up begins. We've just had that with the move down from 1000 to 890ish. I've gotta believe we are going up now to retest the highs. Good luck all!

I think we are just about right into resistance in both Gold and Silver here. Maybe another 10 bucks up and 20-30 cents in Silver. I am looking for lower prices. Moves that hold over 940 Gold and 13.50 Silver would change my mind but I think we are still in a corrective mode in the pm's maybe as long as this September-November. The longest correction we have seen this entire bull has been 18 months from December 2003-May 2005. A move down into this Fall would be equal in terms of time. I still will hold all physical positions regardless of price.

migold
03-15-2009, 05:34 PM
OPEC to keep present output. I would imagine this will not drive price higher.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/OPEC-to-keep-present-apf-14643900.html

migold
03-15-2009, 05:40 PM
So if crude goes up the gassies will rally? How long do you think this would last? Weeks or months? I've got some cash I want to invest, might be the last chance to make some awesome profits in a short time. Are you holding AAV for awhile? I hate to buy a stock that went up 15% in one day unless it's really undervalued.

AAV has been pretty well beaten down, more so than others. Do a comparison with some others over 3/6/12 months. Even with that 15%, it is still low for long-term holding.

stretch
03-15-2009, 05:42 PM
my name is mike thanks for everything ,nevr posted but followed from jan/2009....i,m 90% precious metals as i'm a newbie per your suggest...don't blame your actions..hope to be able to follow your work again someday STRETCH

eagle
03-15-2009, 05:52 PM
Welcome Stretch, we can be a cantankerous bunch, but there is a lot to learn from Cyclist. Your thoughts and views are always welcome. :cool:

stretch
03-15-2009, 06:05 PM
yes but i believe he's gone in a time when ALL information is valuable

stretch
03-15-2009, 06:07 PM
ty for welcome

Creek
03-15-2009, 06:12 PM
I think we are just about right into resistance in both Gold and Silver here.

I couldn't agree more. We are at resistance on a daily chart having formed the right shoulder of a head and shoulders pattern.

On a weekly chart the price is coming off overbought levels.

I think this correction needs more time with possibly a test of the October lows before a resumption of the bull market in earnest in the autumn.

DRP270
03-15-2009, 06:15 PM
Anybody have an idea why all of Cyclist's posts for the last week are now gone?

errantson
03-15-2009, 06:17 PM
Anybody have an idea why all of Cyclist's posts for the last week are now gone?

All of his posts have been removed, going back to early Feb.

Can't say that I blame him.

harryclam
03-15-2009, 06:22 PM
Why would Cyclist remove his posts?

louisianagold
03-15-2009, 06:23 PM
You get what you ask for. Cyclist has helped numerous on this board for quite some time. He asked, simply, for courtesy. Over the last couple of weeks, this thread has been bombarded by many who did not even bother to read previous posts, and bombarded him with the same questions over and over.

Then there are the ones who trust everything they read on an internet message board and do no due dilligence on their own. These people blame their losses on others, rather than blaming themselves for poor decisions.

Good luck, cyclist. You were great. A very heartfelt thank you! And, if you begin your own forum or page, please include me in wanting to join you.

Starting
03-15-2009, 06:30 PM
Good luck, cyclist. You were great. A very heartfelt thank you! And, if you begin your own forum or page, please include me in wanting to join you.

Cyclist, I too wish you good luck and do indeed wish to join you if you begin your own page/forum. I have always found your posts to be erudite, informative, insightful, and right-on-target.

karma
03-15-2009, 06:35 PM
You get what you ask for. Cyclist has helped numerous on this board for quite some time. He asked, simply, for courtesy. Over the last couple of weeks, this thread has been bombarded by many who did not even bother to read previous posts, and bombarded him with the same questions over and over.

Then there are the ones who trust everything they read on an internet message board and do no due dilligence on their own. These people blame their losses on others, rather than blaming themselves for poor decisions.

Good luck, cyclist. You were great. A very heartfelt thank you! And, if you begin your own forum or page, please include me in wanting to join you.

Well said, Please include me also, if that is indeed what is going on here. What a shame.... always the way, a few ruin it for the majority.

There are some strange happenings going on in this forum , i mean the whole site. I have seen a number of messages disappear and i have had a pop up window asking me for my user name and password that isnt even related to this site...... hmmmm strange indeed.

cloak and dagger
03-15-2009, 06:37 PM
I am in total agreement with you...hope to see you soon Cyclist:cool:

stretch
03-15-2009, 06:37 PM
am gratefull to Cyclist but it has been trying sorting through the negative feedback sometimes,but have gained years of others' experience

Calvi
03-15-2009, 06:52 PM
Why is it when I find something good it goes away.

Been reading for a few weeks but not posting.

Cyclist I am sure there are many more like me, your information has been very valuable, but I have not posted as I am still learning and don't have a lot to contribute yet.

Anyway I will contribute this, your posts will be sorely missed and thank you for all the free and valuable information.

Perhaps a new thread can be started or this one locked to only a few contributers.

JohnPA
03-15-2009, 06:57 PM
Dear Cyclist,
Call me a long time reader with not much to offer as I don't day/swing trade, hence I observed and didn't want to add to the clutter.
Your information has none the less been very valuable to me in making some decisions which I consider prudent and fruitful. With that offered, please accept my gratitude for your selflessness and wisdom in refraining from others ill conceived entries. Should you move, go in the peace that has been your hallmark. I would welcome the opportunity to observe should a new venue suit you. In brotherhood,
JPA

DeLux
03-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Cyclist,
Last week I made my first post (after months of reading), I was honored to get your reply. Good sound advice, coupled with my due diligence I was able to get past my paralysis of analysis. Thank you for being so generous with your wisdom and insight. I do hope you are not gone. But if it is so; I'm grateful for your help and wish you the very best.

chashiwenlu
03-15-2009, 07:53 PM
Dear Cyclist,

I've been reading this thread every day for a couple of months and I'm very grateful for all the valuable information gained from here.

I think this thread is for people with some basic intelligence and capable of taking responsibilities of their own decisions. I'm impressed by the quality of lot's of people's comments on the thread. I really hope that a few ill mannered people will not cause major damages here.

WenLu

eqrgargbargb
03-15-2009, 08:00 PM
Why is it when I find something good it goes away.

Been reading for a few weeks but not posting.

Cyclist I am sure there are many more like me, your information has been very valuable, but I have not posted as I am still learning and don't have a lot to contribute yet.

Anyway I will contribute this, your posts will be sorely missed and thank you for all the free and valuable information.

Perhaps a new thread can be started or this one locked to only a few contributers.

he will comment when the time is right. Everyone here knows something of how hard it is to foretell the markets. Cyclist does an amazing job but you can't expect him to stick his neck out at a turn date when almost anything is possible. He has given advice and now it is time for you to decide what to do. Follow the theme of the advice and I think you will do well, don't expect the guy to keep putting in specific dates for you in such a volatile time so that he can be flamed by ungrateful fools if things don't work exactly.

wgadget
03-15-2009, 08:24 PM
he will comment when the time is right. Everyone here knows something of how hard it is to foretell the markets. Cyclist does an amazing job but you can't expect him to stick his neck out at a turn date when almost anything is possible. He has given advice and now it is time for you to decide what to do. Follow the theme of the advice and I think you will do well, don't expect the guy to keep putting in specific dates for you in such a volatile time so that he can be flamed by ungrateful fools if things don't work exactly.

Yeah...GEEZ. Who do you think he is, REINHARDT?

NonSequitur
03-15-2009, 09:00 PM
Cyclist:
Yours are the first posts I look for on here because you make the most and best calls I have seen! I hope you aren't gone.

If you go somewhere else, I would love to know where to be able to read the excellent work!


Others:
Did he say he was leaving or did he simply remove some recent posts?

karma
03-15-2009, 09:11 PM
Cyclist:
Yours are the first posts I look for on here because you make the most and best calls I have seen! I hope you aren't gone.

If you go somewhere else, I would love to know where to be able to read the excellent work!


Others:
Did he say he was leaving or did he simply remove some recent posts?

It seems people think Cyclist has left the building

A) some of his recent posts have vanished
B)AGH had removed all of Cyclists projections from the first page of his thread.

Guess we will find out either way in coming weeks, as it is not unlike Cyclist to take a few days off from posting.



Good luck to all. I hope that Cyclists post don't vanish altogether because there is a wealth of info to be drawn from them if you are serious about learning.

rtsang
03-15-2009, 09:22 PM
Will Cyclist come back? Should we stick with this forum thread? Another suggestion is can someone summaries date, symbol and predictions periodically please? I got lost from time to time to follow some comment here and there.
e.g.

Yen....
Crude Mid March - Low
Gold - will be higher in May, support at $850
Silver - ...
Suggested stocks: CRY...etc

Moreover, very appreciated every valuable inputs.

CarRide
03-15-2009, 09:25 PM
I put up a post a few minutes ago and deleted it. It was pretty harsh and decided to do some checking first.

I think Cyclist and Goldhamster are gone but hope and pray I'm wrong.

In the post I blamed most of it on newbie trolls; I still think that's pretty true but alot also goes to us older posters, including me. Too many questions, not enough research. Try as I did to make sure I looked at what he had already said, I probably asked inappropriate questions.

Let's look at it this way:

Cyclist probably joined this thread to share his knowledge and RECEIVE like-minded ideas and conversation from others like himself. Instead, a lot of what he found were others that knew less than he did and got baraged with questions way below his level. I'm sure it gets lonely at the top.

Or maybe he has decided it's "bug-out" time, and that's even scarier. I just wish he had given us a clue.

Cyclist, if you're out there, I hope you'll be back. If you're moving on, I wish you the best. CarRide

NonSequitur
03-15-2009, 09:26 PM
situations change like weather and predictions need to be updated accordingly. hopefully they are just removing some outdated forcasts...

CarRide
03-15-2009, 09:35 PM
Will Cyclist come back? Should we stick with this forum thread? Another suggestion is can someone summaries date, symbol and predictions periodically please? I got lost from time to time to follow some comment here and there.
e.g.

Yen....
Crude Mid March - Low
Gold - will be higher in May, support at $850
Silver - ...
Suggested stocks: CRY...etc

Moreover, very appreciated every valuable inputs.

I know you're worried about stocks etc., but maybe we should be thinking about Cyclist right now, not ourselves.

Not putting your concern down, I feel the same way. But I also feel like I lost a friend/mentor.

tcg1022
03-15-2009, 09:39 PM
My dear friends - it is one story to have free lunch and moaning and requesting the ower of this thread to concede that he is wrong ... just for EGOMANICS.

And it is another story requesting freedom for speak and opinion.
I'm against it - if it just serves some frustrated egomanics which aren't able to trade according to da rules. Say don't understand what trading means - and are still in the childhood dreamin of crytallballs out there.
Cyclist is not god - and everybody here expecting Cyclist to be god is an ... you know what i mean.

It is not the first time this happens here. And it is not the first time cyclist has enough of it.

At some point it will be enough.

For me it's enough - better serve time in getting ready that website.


That pretty much sums it up it has been asked and asked again. Some seem to feel the need to speak out because of their EGO. The same ones more than likely are holding paper gold with little or no physical. The posters that valued Cyclists work the most have his turned dates saved:cool: . I dont blame Cyclist a bit for pulling away after the nonsense that has transpired. Good luck to you Cyclists and I do hope one day when you feel the time is right that our paths will cross again. For now I am watching the bell curve;) developing with black gold. Peace bro and all the best!!!

CarRide
03-15-2009, 10:02 PM
That pretty much sums it up it has been asked and asked again. Some seem to feel the need to speak out because of their EGO. The same ones more than likely are holding paper gold with little or no physical. The posters that valued Cyclists work the most have his turned dates saved:cool: . I dont blame Cyclist a bit for pulling away after the nonsense that has transpired. Good luck to you Cyclists and I do hope one day when you feel the time is right that our paths will cross again. For now I am watching the bell curve;) developing with black gold. Peace bro and all the best!!!

I wish I did, I was consistently saving every post he made, but when I started trading, I got behind....will go back to find what I can, but my heart's not in it right now.

rtsang
03-15-2009, 10:23 PM
Can someone enlighten me here, the reason Cyclist leave this forum is because his preference or is because of the forum enforcement?

denaliguide
03-15-2009, 10:38 PM
Cyclist was always a gentleman to me. I thank him for sharing his work.

Kitco tends to be tight and heavy handed, and hey, that's the way it goes.

I've been burned here, and that's ok, cause it simply speaks to the people who did it. It didnt hurt me, but it puzzled me that people would want to stifle a free market in ideas,so it was their loss.

Rather that everyone here would DYODD & DYOHW, than bugging everyone around them like Kindergarten Kids who whine at every turn. I will stay on the lookout for Cyclist. He knows my door is always open for him.

Looking out for oneself rather than CYCLIST would probably go a long way towards resolving the issues manifested here.

DG




Can someone enlighten me here, the reason Cyclist leave this forum is because his preference or is because of the forum enforcement?

Chris C
03-15-2009, 10:49 PM
I never thought I would need to make copy of Cyclist turndate's compiled by AG, but obviously I was wrong.

Just spent an hour sorting thru the various BS that led to those dates that were so carefully cataloged being removed by AG.......if anyone had the foresight to copy them, could they kindly pass them along to me, PM me for my email.

Great, now I get to spend time reading about pissing and whining regarding delivery of UHR's, bad EBAY deals, and the various other crud that clogs this forum. Great.

NonSequitur
03-15-2009, 10:54 PM
didn't Cyclist always say that the turn dates were not always absolute and subject to change depending on unforseen events?

Chris C
03-15-2009, 10:59 PM
didn't Cyclist always say that the turn dates were not always absolute and subject to change depending on unforseen events?

Absolutely.........but even with unforseen events, Cyclist turndates are a better platform to work from than anything I could come up with. I don't trade interday/hour as he does, but it sure was EXTREMELY helpful info.

NonSequitur
03-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Absolutely.........but even with unforseen events, Cyclist turndates are a better platform to work from than anything I could come up with. I don't trade interday/hour as he does, but it sure was EXTREMELY helpful info.

I Agree with you

AllthatglittersisPD
03-15-2009, 11:24 PM
With oil production to remain the same until May, what effect does this have on oil and gas stocks and does this mean the price of crude will not go up in this time period?

inframan
03-15-2009, 11:37 PM
didn't Cyclist always say that the turn dates were not always absolute and subject to change depending on unforseen events?

That should go without saying. He is just doing the studies and posting what the results are. Nobody is right %100 but he has a great track record and some amazing insight.

Last weeks bashers didn't help but all that "whore" talk is probably what was the last straw. I don't blame him for taking off, I'd like it if he stayed around but why would he?

Maybe he could start a 'read only' blog somewhere. Seems that would be a good format for his info and insights.

AllthatglittersisPD
03-15-2009, 11:44 PM
I was under the impression that Cyclist takes weekends off from this thread so I don't see how the previous silly banter the weekend would have caused him to leave.:confused:

NonSequitur
03-15-2009, 11:45 PM
[QUOTE=inframan;584004]That should go without saying. He is just doing the studies and posting what the results are. Nobody is right %100 but he has a great track record and some amazing insight.

Last weeks bashers didn't help but all that "whore" talk is probably what was the last straw. I don't blame him for taking off, I'd like it if he stayed around but why would he? QUOTE]

Ya, I remember him being dismissive of a fellow with a toilet mouth not too long ago.

Just for the record, this handle was not involved in bashing nor "whoretalk"

Thanks

wanderyr
03-15-2009, 11:49 PM
I was under the impression that Cyclist takes weekends off from this thread so I don't see how the previous silly banter the weekend would have caused him to leave.:confused:

Yes, I hate to assume Cyclist is gone just because the rumor has grown legs... Hopefully all is well with him and he'll return soon.

However, Cyclist, if you have gone away, I will miss you. You've opened my eyes to many things that I didn't know that I didn't know ;)

Thanks, hope to see you on the forums...

-wanderyr

TCWhite
03-15-2009, 11:51 PM
All of his posts have been removed, going back to early Feb.

Can't say that I blame him.

The latest I see start on March 7. Seems only a weeks worth is gone.

Denim
03-16-2009, 12:17 AM
Cyclist - is there anything you have in the window march 26th thru april 5th?


Towards 26th and end of months and further into april 5th there's likely some sort of really ugly stress or event(s) to happen again. See lots of smoke. Maybe some sort of accident, or terror attack or war or fire or combination of fire and/or nuke and/or war. Maybe even an escalation around april 15th? Or an earthquake damaging a nuke plant on 26th - with escalation towards 15th?

Again - just a few wild guesses. Nothing to base trades on. But dates to keep in mind.


Additional to Francis ... my wild guess for a low is either 11th or 12th with slightly favoring 12th.



This is weird...what do you think. I am a newby and I have followed Cyclist for over a year. I remember when he said it would get dangerous in April. I read his post somewhere in October. I miss him too. I do not invest in the stock market but I always kept up with his post about living 50 miles out of the city, buy food and it would get dangerous in April of 09.

CarRide
03-16-2009, 12:41 AM
This is weird...what do you think. I am a newby and I have followed Cyclist for over a year. I remember when he said it would get dangerous in April. I read his post somewhere in October. I miss him too. I do not invest in the stock market but I always kept up with his post about living 50 miles out of the city, buy food and it would get dangerous in April of 09.

I had forgot about that post from AGoldhamster. What the?

50BMG
03-16-2009, 01:06 AM
Cyclist, All...

I apologize for any lapse in forum etiquette as well as any seemingly non-cordial demeanor in any of my postings ANYWHERE on this gold-forum...

Honestly, no matter how my postings may have "sounded", I never truly blamed anybody here for ANYTHING that I did or didn't do when it comes to trading PM's, equities, or anything!!! Really!!! I know that I, and only I, am responsible for any investment or PM buy/sell decisions that I make.

I acknowledge that I do not understand 100% of the technical jargon of all of those that post here... I am sorry for being overly excited to learn, and now I realize that this is not a good place to bother others for an "education" as such...

Some of my postings were only made in an attempt to elicit ANY kind of reply to my admittedly simplistic queries, even if that reply was "Shut Up! Sit Down, and learn something....". (I can take that constructively too!)

I also apologize if my lame and sophomoric humor posted in this thread or anywhere on this forum has offended... Really, I am not that crude in person and it sickens me to think this is a catalyst in anybody elseís decision to discontinue helping others here through their knowledge/posting.... (Allthatglitters, for the record: I've been married only once, to the same wonderful woman for almost 13 years. I have not "known" any other woman, to any degree, for at least 18 years. I never said I actually engaged with said moral reprobates, I only said that I had "seen" them. Those comments were just another lame joke attempt... Sorry to have offended.)...

There have been a couple other knowledgeable investors on this forum who have taken the time to appease me in my short-sighted attempts at acceptance/understanding and I do honestly and truly thank you people for those valuable portions of your time...

From here on out, I promise to go back to the profession of only "lurking" on this gold forum. I sincerely hope that this retraction into obscurity once again, can right the wrongs that I am apparently guilty of.... Only time will tell I guess.
:o :confused:

bullau
03-16-2009, 01:28 AM
What did you guys do?

I really hope he will be back!

Markets very overbought imo........pullback early this week and depending on how severe will tell us if we are going to hit new lows??

kostas
03-16-2009, 05:24 AM
Dear Cyclist,

For the past few months I have been reading your comments and have found them to be very valuable in assisting me with my investment decisions. I have always looked forward to reading your posts and hope that you donít leave because of a few ignorant people. However, should you do decide to move on, I wish you the best of luck and thanks for all of the valuable information you have provided.

Denim
03-16-2009, 07:10 AM
The ideal situation would be a vacation home.Usually vacation homes
are away from the congestion and it gives you some assurance of a trusted environment.just an idea


Interesting.

Denim
03-16-2009, 07:36 AM
Interesting.


Go look at ALL of the post by Cyclist and check out the one for 02/11/2009 at 8:22 a.m. It is the only post where Cyclist used "Agoldhamsters" name in the title instead of his name as he usually does. Also, every time I pull up this post a server box comes up saying "this server is requesting that your username and password be sent in an insecure manner. Someone mentioned this same message box yesterday. Could Cyclist and agoldhamsters be one and the same? And AGoldhamster disappeared too? Somethings up

Newby

Hagar
03-16-2009, 07:47 AM
yes I have lost the link to the turn dates, a liitle community has been destroyed.

INHSRV
03-16-2009, 08:28 AM
yes I have lost the link to the turn dates, a liitle community has been destroyed.


The reason for the Login & PW is that the information on the tread was located on a site in austria. Knowing that AG was from Austria - then I quess he has had enough, and has taken down his site. Really can't blame him - though, what a loss to those of us learning this stuff. Hopefully others such as MK, Capt, GBeard and others will stay. And Hopefully Ag and Cyclist will come back.

denaliguide
03-16-2009, 08:37 AM
then if CYCLIST comes back,you can show him what he inspired you to do.

So far I hear lots of whining, but no one Stepping it up a notch.

Find out where to get the software that emulates what he did, or distill your own, its NOT rocket science.

Either that or keep playing this game.


DG

greenbeard
03-16-2009, 08:42 AM
Low for gold was to be March 18th.

redsea
03-16-2009, 08:59 AM
I don't think that they will run
a master allways return to hisfolowers, student, friends
they just went for a while and will come back
I full agree with denaliguide when he said
"Find out where to get the software that emulates what he did, or distill your own, its NOT rocket science"

what do u think about gold today

CarRide
03-16-2009, 09:29 AM
then if CYCLIST comes back,you can show him what he inspired you to do.

So far I hear lots of whining, but no one Stepping it up a notch.

Find out where to get the software that emulates what he did, or distill your own, its NOT rocket science.

Either that or keep playing this game.


DG

Morning, denaliguide. I have looked for WD Gann software, but I have found articles saying that none of those use WD Gann's formula. And there's reason to believe no one really figured out his formula. But thanks for the input, have a good day. CarRide

tothemoon
03-16-2009, 09:36 AM
So far I hear lots of whining, but no one Stepping it up a notch.

Find out where to get the software that emulates what he did, or distill your own, its NOT rocket science.

Either that or keep playing this game.

DG

Great idea.

Where would we start to learn how to identify Cyclist's turn dates? Cyclist is the master at picking these dates. Cyclist has always enjoyed hearing new / different cycles projections to compare against his own. I think he'd be encouraged if we try learning for ourselves.

Here's a list of the people that I am aware of when it comes to cycles:

Cyclist (all time master and the best)
Taucher's work
Hurst
Merriman
Gann
Charles Nenner (although I think he's a phony)

I also have a copy of gannanalyst which I have not yet played with as yet.

Anyone else know here to start??

AGoldhamster
03-16-2009, 09:38 AM
The lastest projections shared (sunday morning) by Cyclist:

"With my short term projections ,crude will make a low on Monday and the mainmarket on Tuesday. Gold at the moment looks for to go up the next two days and to go side ways. For now oil is the place to be."

DYOD.

rjcjid
03-16-2009, 09:45 AM
I down loaded the "Gannalyst" software but I'm not very computor savvy so I haven't been able to utilize it yet. I've been looking for other software as well. Maybe a little networking here might help us all. rj

clayson
03-16-2009, 09:45 AM
The lastest projections shared (sunday morning) by Cyclist:

"With my short term projections ,crude will make a low on Monday and the mainmarket on Tuesday. Gold at the moment looks for to go up the next two days and to go side ways. For now oil is the place to be."

DYOD.

guys get serious, what is this had enough, removing posts, whining, sharing 'secret' info, advocating stuff..

clayson
03-16-2009, 09:47 AM
then if CYCLIST comes back,you can show him what he inspired you to do.

So far I hear lots of whining, but no one Stepping it up a notch.

Find out where to get the software that emulates what he did, or distill your own, its NOT rocket science.

Either that or keep playing this game.


DG

yes good idea, i will dig into some research on this as well.

errantson
03-16-2009, 09:50 AM
guys get serious, what is this had enough, removing posts, whining, sharing 'secret' info, advocating stuff..

Do you really think this was helpful, or contributed anything to this thread?

clayson
03-16-2009, 09:58 AM
Do you really think this was helpful, or contributed anything to this thread?

yes, in order to remind this pointless repeated cycle, from all sides, we know the end result from numerous occasions.

horton99
03-16-2009, 10:07 AM
guys get serious, what is this had enough, removing posts, whining, sharing 'secret' info, advocating stuff..

Just a question. Are you giving them a hard time for their decisions? I don't understand your post.

clayson
03-16-2009, 10:12 AM
Just a question. Are you giving them a hard time for their decisions? I don't understand your post.

giving soft time to all of us, or rational.
let's get on with the other interesting stuff now

AuSux
03-16-2009, 10:17 AM
giving soft time to all of us, or rational.
let's get on with the other interesting stuff now

You have no one to blame but yourself.

Who told you to base your investment decisions on anonymous posts in an obscure gold and silver forum?

Go and take your advice from Jim Cramer or Larry Kudlow please.

Stop insulting and disrespecting cyclist and his friends. I have already reported you and will report anyone else who insults or disrespects Cyclist.

clayson
03-16-2009, 10:21 AM
You have no one to blame but yourself.

Who told you to base your investment decisions on anonymous posts in an obscure gold and silver forum?

Go and take your advice from Jim Cramer or Larry Kudlow please.

Stop insulting and disrespecting cyclist and his friends. I have already reported you and will report anyone else who insults or disrespects Cyclist.

i am not 'disrespecting' and insulting anyone(lately, i admit). read the post and stop this mongering. you initiate it, again. we said that already

hiimdoug
03-16-2009, 10:31 AM
Dollar looks dead (obviously)

Repeating exactly what it did end of 2008.

I would expect it to bounce off 86 head back to 88 and begin final collapse in April. This time frame would fit in well with gold also. Gold (according to cyclist) will make its low March 18, which looks correct. I would suspect it moves north facing resistance at all time highs. Once it breaks all time highs, look out. PEI date of April 22 looks pretty good to me.

Amazingly this would be a near exact replication of what happend in Weimar hyperinflation. 1 year 30-40% deflation in Price of Gold, before the beginning of its hyperinflation.

clayson
03-16-2009, 10:40 AM
"Momentum: From a technical perspective, the uptrend in gold remains
intact. But price momentum is fading along with lower option volatility.
Shorter-dated option volatility, up to three months, continues to normalize.
That said, longer-dated option volatility stays structurally high. Gold
investors can enter into a covered call strategy to enhance returns. We
favor strike levels at round USD 1,050. For those who hold cash and are
unwilling to enter at spot, entry levels below USD 835 can be set.

Seasonally weak jewelry demand in 2Q should make it difficult for investment demand to keep prices close to USD 1,000, especially if risk aversion fades. Hence, expect gold to slide to USD 800-850, to build up gold long positions as US dollar weakness should kick in during 2H 2009 and support prices."

fprefect42
03-16-2009, 10:52 AM
yes good idea, i will dig into some research on this as well.

I don't mean to "butt in" but for what it's worth I believe cyclist was using a theory developed by W. D. Gann http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/gann.html
as well as possibly in combination with a trading theory developed by Ralph Elliot (Elliot wave theory) Both rely on cycles and waves and you can find a good deal of information at the above address, although both systems are very technical and many books are available covering either system.

What really has me confused is why this guy(Cyclist) was willing to put himself in the position for ANYONE to come along, see his advise, make a trade based upon it, and then to be criticized if the call turned out to be wrong! If he was selling his advise, the client could simply stop subscribing to the service. But if the advise is free, a small few apparently believe that every wrong call is an open invitation to bitch and moan.

F. Prefect

shaunish
03-16-2009, 11:01 AM
Dollar looks dead (obviously)

Repeating exactly what it did end of 2008.

I would expect it to bounce off 86 head back to 88 and begin final collapse in April. This time frame would fit in well with gold also. Gold (according to cyclist) will make its low March 18, which looks correct. I would suspect it moves north facing resistance at all time highs. Once it breaks all time highs, look out. PEI date of April 22 looks pretty good to me.

Amazingly this would be a near exact replication of what happend in Weimar hyperinflation. 1 year 30-40% deflation in Price of Gold, before the beginning of its hyperinflation.

We have started to buy our own t-bills, very inflationary move.

Bernankes and Obamas strong rhetoric over the weekend is signaling another week up - which would break the 3 weeks down, 1 week up trend we have been seeing the last 3 months.

There have been some big puts on a fall in the S&P by May, I would look for an up week this week, and then down from there.

Oil, food commodities + fertilizer stocks should be the place to be.

cherithomas
03-16-2009, 11:02 AM
Cyclist whats your thoughts on shorting the 30yr US treasury bonds ?
Also the most important G20 meeting do you see Bretton Woods II being implemented?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...rs-summit.html
Regarding Bretton Woods II and the upcoming G20 .Cyclist what are your thoughts on Bretton Woods II and its effects on the Gold price & currencies ,particularly currencies caught in the carry trade and the USD Standard.....do you see the Standard being changed ?

I read that the world bank under Bretton Woods II would set CB currency differentials between nations.
Do you see an "agreement " to wipe all debt and "start over " with this new system? & thus come up with an engineered "solution
to stop currency carry trade fluctuations and wild inflation in nations on the end of a carry trade(or at least how they will sell a global new order in banking?
http://www.cfr.org/publication/18756/


Cyclist the latest news out from the IMF,I wonder what your comments are?

The International Monetary Fund is poised to embark on what analysts have described as "global quantitative easing" by printing billions of dollars worth of a global "super-currency" in an unprecedented new effort to address the economic crisis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...ve-easing.html

heres a link to Obams budget....you need to scroll all the way to the 4 pages from the bottom for the appropriation amounts

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy...y10-newera.pdf

Thankyou

AllthatglittersisPD
03-16-2009, 11:12 AM
Anyone holding Citibank for awhile? Bought some this a.m. first thing, it's crazy! And scary how fast it is going up. I was thinking of selling at end of day. Is this a good longterm hold?

INHSRV
03-16-2009, 11:25 AM
Anyone holding Citibank for awhile? Bought some this a.m. first thing, it's crazy! And scary how fast it is going up. I was thinking of selling at end of day. Is this a good longterm hold?

************************************************

AG brought some for A Long Pos - I do not know if he still has them though - Purchased FAS at last weeks low and have held - think we may have a few days left in Fin....


Keeping an eye on BKX and SKF

lowcommotion
03-16-2009, 11:27 AM
Wondering what Cyclist or others make of the latest
piece from Martin Armstrong. You can read it at moneytalks.net.
Was posted there on saturday I found it very interesting
but don't understand all of it . It is quite long but worth
reading imo. Anybody read this? Thoughts?

karma
03-16-2009, 11:34 AM
markets moving fast and furious today. Having another go with HFU as the Canadian banks are strong this am.

coulls
03-16-2009, 11:35 AM
If he was selling his advise, the client could simply stop subscribing to the service. But if the advise is free, a small few apparently believe that every wrong call is an open invitation to bitch and moan.

I guess some people only think advice is only worth something when they pay for it. Quite sad really.

JammyT
03-16-2009, 11:37 AM
What really has me confused is why this guy(Cyclist) was willing to put himself in the position for ANYONE to come along, see his advise, make a trade based upon it, and then to be criticized if the call turned out to be wrong! If he was selling his advise, the client could simply stop subscribing to the service. But if the advise is free, a small few apparently believe that every wrong call is an open invitation to bitch and moan.

F. Prefect

Cyclist did explain this once F Prefect - it will probs still be on the thread somewhere.

But basically his view was that he didnt need to earn extra money by setting up a separate website and enjoyed just giving his calls to people

Whilst he might have got a sense of satisfaction out of it he didnt appear to be in it for the glory.

Sadly, particularly on the internet, some people thinks it gives them a free reign to be abusive if they feel wronged in some way. The reality is that no matter how good the calls of Cyclist appear to be the majority of the time if you invest a huge amount of money you cant afford to lose on the advice of nothing more than an internet persona you certainly dont have a right to launch a string of abuse at said person - you need to look at your own phsychology first....

fprefect42
03-16-2009, 11:41 AM
Anyone holding Citibank for awhile? Bought some this a.m. first thing, it's crazy! And scary how fast it is going up. I was thinking of selling at end of day. Is this a good longterm hold?

A couple of thoughts to ponder. Is the outlook for CITI common stock any better than it was several months ago and the stock was selling for over $30?

Is it good "bet" to short CITI at 2.50 or wait and see if the price will go a bit higher before doing so? For all intents and purposes, CITI has been nationalized and it's common stock is worth less than the paper and ink it took to produce it.

At what point the shorts will move back in I have no idea, but when you have a stock that's almost guaranteed to eventually go to zero, they WILL be back for round 2.

F. Prefect

fprefect42
03-16-2009, 11:51 AM
Cyclist did explain this once F Prefect - it will probs still be on the thread somewhere.

But basically his view was that he didnt need to earn extra money by setting up a separate website and enjoyed just giving his calls to people

Whilst he might have got a sense of satisfaction out of it he didnt appear to be in it for the glory.

Sadly, particularly on the internet, some people thinks it gives them a free reign to be abusive if they feel wronged in some way. The reality is that no matter how good the calls of Cyclist appear to be the majority of the time if you invest a huge amount of money you cant afford to lose on the advice of nothing more than an internet persona you certainly dont have a right to launch a string of abuse at said person - you need to look at your own phsychology first....

Thank you. That answers my question. But sadly I have to agree that a public forum on the Internet is probably not the best place to exercise his generosity. Perhaps something will eventually be worked out. Even though I am not a short term trader and did not follow cyclist's calls that much, I know many did and hope he will return.

F. Prefect

AllthatglittersisPD
03-16-2009, 11:53 AM
A couple of thoughts to ponder. Is the outlook for CITI common stock any better than it was several months ago and the stock was selling for over $30?

Is it good "bet" to short CITI at 2.50 or wait and see if the price will go a bit higher before doing so? For all intents and purposes, CITI has been nationalized and it's common stock is worth less than the paper and ink it took to produce it.

At what point the shorts will move back in I have no idea, but when you have a stock that's almost guaranteed to eventually go to zero, they WILL be back for round 2.

F. Prefect

Makes sense. Looks like the shorts did move in at 2.50. I'm going to take my profits. Damn shorts. I don't think it's worth much either but it's been making people a killing.

clayson
03-16-2009, 11:54 AM
thanks fprefect42, i do not know

regarding treasuries yields there is pressure on :
"net foreign private flows were negative $158.1 billion".
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg57.htm

For a concrete explanation of this TIC data check follow Brad Setser for those that do not know him, on similar issues(very good source) :
http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/

fprefect42
03-16-2009, 12:16 PM
Makes sense. Looks like the shorts did move in at 2.50. I'm going to take my profits. Damn shorts. I don't think it's worth much either but it's been making people a killing.

Hope I didn't talk you in to making the wrong decision.;) I almost bought it when it was around 1.00 just hoping it would "catch a ride" when the long overdue rally came to pass. But from what I've been able to understand, right or wrong, is that CITI had to take such huge quantities of the government bail out money, combined with other liabilities such as bonds and preferred stock, there is nowhere near enough funds to ever give the common stock any value.

As far as the short sellers go, they were just making a bet the stock would fall and they were right. I feel sorry for the holders of the common who held on to the bitter end, but there were an abundance of warning signs, both technical and fundamental that the company was in big trouble long before the stock broke below $10

F. Prefect

AllthatglittersisPD
03-16-2009, 12:30 PM
Hope I didn't talk you in to making the wrong decision.;) I almost bought it when it was around 1.00 just hoping it would "catch a ride" when the long overdue rally came to pass. But from what I've been able to understand, right or wrong, is that CITI had to take such huge quantities of the government bail out money, combined with other liabilities such as bonds and preferred stock, there is nowhere near enough funds to ever give the common stock any value.

As far as the short sellers go, they were just making a bet the stock would fall and they were right. I feel sorry for the holders of the common who held on to the bitter end, but there were an abundance of warning signs, both technical and fundamental that the company was in big trouble long before the stock broke below $10

F. Prefect

No, you didn't! I actually just sold, made a day's wages at the office in two hours. Of course I wish I'd had a bundle to play with but I am grateful for small gains. Nothing wrong with that. It's better not to get too greedy, imo.

CarRide
03-16-2009, 12:32 PM
thanks fprefect42, i do not know

regarding treasuries yields there is pressure on :
"net foreign private flows were negative $158.1 billion".
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/tg57.htm

For a concrete explanation of this TIC data check follow Brad Setser for those that do not know him, on similar issues(very good source) :
http://blogs.cfr.org/setser/


Thanks for the links, clayson. The last one is the very thing I always say when I'm analyzing...follow the money.

denaliguide
03-16-2009, 12:32 PM
so I'd not panic about the LACK of CYCLIST, there are any number of reasons, and altho courtesy would suggest we know why, he is under no obligation to explain.

DG

Bibiche
03-16-2009, 12:43 PM
The lastest projections shared (sunday morning) by Cyclist:

"With my short term projections ,crude will make a low on Monday and the mainmarket on Tuesday. Gold at the moment looks for to go up the next two days and to go side ways. For now oil is the place to be."

DYOD.

I don't know where was the low today......?
:confused: :

berger6696
03-16-2009, 01:35 PM
so I'd not panic about the LACK of CYCLIST, there are any number of reasons, and altho courtesy would suggest we know why, he is under no obligation to explain.

DG

Maybe with all the different waves converging, he went "off the grid"?

MetalsKing
03-16-2009, 01:46 PM
CYCLIST a question? It would be nice if you explained your decision to delete all those posts and whether you will or will not post here anymore. It is of course not "required" of you but with so many following your "turns" I think it would be appropriate to state your intentions. Thanks for what you have offered and regards. I hope you keep posting but understand if you don't.

MK

ferndave
03-16-2009, 01:51 PM
AGoldhamster has stated that Cyclist is traveling for a few days. He'll post when he returns, if he so choses.

chris888
03-16-2009, 02:11 PM
AGoldhamster has stated that Cyclist is traveling for a few days. He'll post when he returns, if he so choses.

From 2 to 8 of april I m in Basle then Zurich.I was already informed by my swiss bank I wont be able to get these gold coins I want!

Chris888

Silver Sled
03-16-2009, 03:12 PM
You get what you ask for. Cyclist has helped numerous on this board for quite some time. He asked, simply, for courtesy. Over the last couple of weeks, this thread has been bombarded by many who did not even bother to read previous posts, and bombarded him with the same questions over and over.



This is a huge loss to all of us. ....

bullau
03-16-2009, 04:14 PM
Well, we all knew that the markets were very oversold so this afternoon's action is to be expected..........Timed buying just after SPX broke trendline and then retested broken support and then down from there........getting good at this trading thing.....lol

Still not sure whether this was just the completion of wave 4 up and now the final wave 5 down to new lows or.......

Wave 5 was already put in last week and the start of a Major wave A bear market rally began and will be a powerful rally for a few months??

Hard to say right now but we will have a good pullback in the next few days either way...........VIX broke down last week giving ammunition that the bottom is in but then reversed today back into the triangle I believe.......false breakout?? or down I should say......lol

The one thing that still bothers me is the put:call ratio being so low still and now the VIX has come back up???

My gut feeling says that the bottom is still not in and put that with cyclists call that this time period could be very volatile then I would be in cash in yen and gold otherwise be very nimble.

Gotta love all the clowns on CNBC all giddy and crap all morning with the markets up for five days........what a bunch of idiots..........loved watching the markets drop this afternoon and see there smiles turn to frowns......hehe.........I have never done as well as I have this past couple of weeks swing trading the financials.

rtsang
03-16-2009, 04:59 PM
I have some predictions, the market've been rally for last week and it runs out of fuel today, it would consolidate and drop for couple days (tomorrow bigger drop, Wed flat and Thur open low and close high) and the up trend will then continue, so shop a lot 2 hours before Thursday closing (DXO, SSO, UYG...etc). The rally then runs at least for a week and max. 2 weeks and will go back down all the way to complete wave 5. Dow could hit lower than 6000 by that time. Let's see. It's just a prediction and make your own decision.

BTW, I was talking to my wife to spend $1000 on AIG, C, FNM, BAC 2 weeks ago and the funny thing is for each $250 chunk you can buy so many shares of these giants. Finally I bought 1000 shares of AIG at .43 (LOL make a fortune) and sold it for .86 today. I will buy more this Thursday, just trying to time the market.

chris888
03-16-2009, 05:14 PM
Just understand about what happened though I didnt follow the story step by step.
I m flabbergasted with people that complains in his thread.
I hope Cyclist will go on posting regularly.
He helped me make decisions and rise performance of my assets without any doubt.In these interesting tough times I think his opinion is a piece of diamond.
Also Never forget you re 100% responsable about your decisions.

CarRide
03-16-2009, 05:29 PM
I have some predictions, the market've been rally for last week and it runs out of fuel today, it would consolidate and drop for couple days (tomorrow bigger drop, Wed flat and Thur open low and close high) and the up trend will then continue, so shop a lot 2 hours before Thursday closing (DXO, SSO, UYG...etc). The rally then runs at least for a week and max. 2 weeks and will go back down all the way to complete wave 5. Dow could hit lower than 6000 by that time. Let's see. It's just a prediction and make your own decision.

BTW, I was talking to my wife to spend $1000 on AIG, C, FNM, BAC 2 weeks ago and the funny thing is for each $250 chunk you can buy so many shares of these giants. Finally I bought 1000 shares of AIG at .43 (LOL make a fortune) and sold it for .86 today. I will buy more this Thursday, just trying to time the market.

I'm going to follow your thoughts on the market, rt. Sounds like it might be right, and interesting.

P.S. And hope you make a killin'!:)

bullau
03-16-2009, 05:34 PM
I have some predictions, the market've been rally for last week and it runs out of fuel today, it would consolidate and drop for couple days (tomorrow bigger drop, Wed flat and Thur open low and close high) and the up trend will then continue, so shop a lot 2 hours before Thursday closing (DXO, SSO, UYG...etc). The rally then runs at least for a week and max. 2 weeks and will go back down all the way to complete wave 5. Dow could hit lower than 6000 by that time. Let's see. It's just a prediction and make your own decision.

BTW, I was talking to my wife to spend $1000 on AIG, C, FNM, BAC 2 weeks ago and the funny thing is for each $250 chunk you can buy so many shares of these giants. Finally I bought 1000 shares of AIG at .43 (LOL make a fortune) and sold it for .86 today. I will buy more this Thursday, just trying to time the market.

rtsang...........Just so you know, the key to whether or not wave 5 and therefore an ultimate bottom is in will be the next decline which looks like it started today..........If wave 5 is not in then we are going down all the way to the lows in short order this week and next and will either test or go lower.....If wave 5 is already in last week then we will have a pullback to support in the next few days around say S&P 700-720 and then go higher......If we go higher then the lows are in but no for a week or two but for many weeks and perhaps months............Because as per Elliot Wave theory wave 4 cannot excede wave 1 lows which on the S&P is around 804 so today's possible reversal keeps the possibility that wave 5 is not in.......If it is in any rally above wave 1 levels in the next little while will mean that the bottom is in and is bullish for a powerful multi-month rally........I am still leaning towards wave 5 not being put in and the bearish scenario but will wait to see what happens on this pullback this week......This is probably the most important period since the November lows this week.......Ultimately it will be decided which way we go so be careful..........Looking at the charts tonight and the volume is okay but not that great on this last leg up as compared to the November lows and rally thereafter........once again, fuel for the bearish scenario..........Simply if we slice through support on major indices for example go below 700 on S&P we are definitely going lower and quick and take some shorts with you........That will scare the bejeebahs out of all then go shopping.....all imo but the EW counts have worked very well all through this bear market decline.

tothemoon
03-16-2009, 06:01 PM
Just understand about what happened though I didnt follow the story step by step.
I m flabbergasted with people that complains in his thread.
I hope Cyclist will go on posting regularly.
He helped me make decisions and rise performance of my assets without any doubt.In these interesting tough times I think his opinion is a piece of diamond.
Also Never forget you re 100% responsable about your decisions.

Well said.
Let's all hope he comes back! :) :) :)

Denim
03-16-2009, 06:07 PM
This is weird...what do you think. I am a newby and I have followed Cyclist for over a year. I remember when he said it would get dangerous in April. I read his post somewhere in October. I miss him too. I do not invest in the stock market but I always kept up with his post about living 50 miles out of the city, buy food and it would get dangerous in April of 09.

What about this?

rtsang
03-16-2009, 06:25 PM
Bullau, I agree this is not the bottom yet. By applying EW, the last week rally was wave 4a, we will see wave 4b coming (today thru Thursday) and then wave 4c (staring from this coming Thursday) Once the wave 4c is completed, wave 4 is completed and then we will have wave 5 pulling Dow down (must be lower than 6500) before we see a bottom. I am still studying EW, so please educate me if I got the wrong count.

Denim
03-16-2009, 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by AGoldhamster
Cyclist - is there anything you have in the window march 26th thru april 5th?


Towards 26th and end of months and further into april 5th there's likely some sort of really ugly stress or event(s) to happen again. See lots of smoke. Maybe some sort of accident, or terror attack or war or fire or combination of fire and/or nuke and/or war. Maybe even an escalation around april 15th? Or an earthquake damaging a nuke plant on 26th - with escalation towards 15th?

Again - just a few wild guesses. Nothing to base trades on. But dates to keep in mind.


Additional to Francis ... my wild guess for a low is either 11th or 12th with slightly favoring 12th.



I had to copy and past. The above post that I sent everyone this morning has now been deleted. Weird huh?

Denim
03-16-2009, 06:56 PM
Cyclist - is there anything you have in the window march 26th thru april 5th?


Towards 26th and end of months and further into april 5th there's likely some sort of really ugly stress or event(s) to happen again. See lots of smoke. Maybe some sort of accident, or terror attack or war or fire or combination of fire and/or nuke and/or war. Maybe even an escalation around april 15th? Or an earthquake damaging a nuke plant on 26th - with escalation towards 15th?

Again - just a few wild guesses. Nothing to base trades on. But dates to keep in mind.


Additional to Francis ... my wild guess for a low is either 11th or 12th with slightly favoring 12th.

AGoldhamster, Is this still going to happen? Did Cyclist say anymore about this to you?

NonSequitur
03-16-2009, 06:58 PM
lots of turmoil surrounding people suffering over their taxes! lol



Originally Posted by AGoldhamster
Cyclist - is there anything you have in the window march 26th thru april 5th?


Towards 26th and end of months and further into april 5th there's likely some sort of really ugly stress or event(s) to happen again. See lots of smoke. Maybe some sort of accident, or terror attack or war or fire or combination of fire and/or nuke and/or war. Maybe even an escalation around april 15th? Or an earthquake damaging a nuke plant on 26th - with escalation towards 15th?

Again - just a few wild guesses. Nothing to base trades on. But dates to keep in mind.


Additional to Francis ... my wild guess for a low is either 11th or 12th with slightly favoring 12th.



I had to copy and past. The above post that I sent everyone this morning has now been deleted. Weird huh?

CarRide
03-16-2009, 07:11 PM
AGoldhamster, Is this still going to happen? Did Cyclist say anymore about this to you?

Denim, did you post this on a/this thread, or send it as a PM? If you posted it then as far as I know you or a mod are the only ones that are able to delete. This is indeed strange.

karma
03-16-2009, 07:21 PM
AGoldhamster, Is this still going to happen? Did Cyclist say anymore about this to you?

with regards to the post that you are referring to, there really are any number of likely scenarios. war could break out at any moment in a number of regions,
some major major bad news out of the banks could be classified as catastophic,
I am slightly concerned more about the recent flu vaccine that was tainted with the avian bird flu virus, because no matter how well prepared we are if that does get loose then we will have something very major to worry about. It will be a matter of hours once the news gets out that i and my family head for the hills for a period of 2 years! With a stop at Costco on the way ,wearing a hazmat suit.

Denim
03-16-2009, 07:28 PM
Denim, did you post this on a/this thread, or send it as a PM? If you posted it then as far as I know you or a mod are the only ones that are able to delete. This is indeed strange.

CarRide, I am so sorry. This post has not been deleted. I thought this was a post from "Gold Action" thread. and I could not find it. Well, this afternoon I found it on AGoldhamster thread. Sorry for the confusion :o

CarRide
03-16-2009, 07:32 PM
CarRide, I am so sorry. This post has not been deleted. I thought this was a post from "Gold Action" thread. and I could not find it. Well, this afternoon I found it on AGoldhamster thread. Sorry for the confusion :o

Denim, if that's the worst mixed up you get, you're doing better than most!:D

denaliguide
03-16-2009, 07:56 PM
but there is some actually working cycles software out there commercially available, that roughly emulates what CYCLIST does.

DG

Morning, denaliguide. I have looked for WD Gann software, but I have found articles saying that none of those use WD Gann's formula. And there's reason to believe no one really figured out his formula. But thanks for the input, have a good day. CarRide

denaliguide
03-16-2009, 08:05 PM
place both the writer and his website, I will post them here.

DG

Great idea.

Where would we start to learn how to identify Cyclist's turn dates? Cyclist is the master at picking these dates. Cyclist has always enjoyed hearing new / different cycles projections to compare against his own. I think he'd be encouraged if we try learning for ourselves.

Here's a list of the people that I am aware of when it comes to cycles:

Cyclist (all time master and the best)
Taucher's work
Hurst
Merriman
Gann
Charles Nenner (although I think he's a phony)

I also have a copy of gannanalyst which I have not yet played with as yet.

Anyone else know here to start??

bullau
03-16-2009, 08:36 PM
Bullau, I agree this is not the bottom yet. By applying EW, the last week rally was wave 4a, we will see wave 4b coming (today thru Thursday) and then wave 4c (staring from this coming Thursday) Once the wave 4c is completed, wave 4 is completed and then we will have wave 5 pulling Dow down (must be lower than 6500) before we see a bottom. I am still studying EW, so please educate me if I got the wrong count.

Well, I don't think for sure we can say that wave 5 hasn't already been put in last week and if that is the case than the rally up to today was wave 1 of the start of wave B multi month long rally and if that is the case then wave 2 has begun today and could see an ABC decline like you mentioned but the bearish case is that........

Wave 4 of big wave A just completed and the start of the last leg wave 5 down is starting as of today??...........If this is the case then we will go straight down from here to the lows and likely surpass it and then the big wave B can start...........Who knows........let's let the market decide but watch this decline very closely.......If we break through supports like knife through butter watch out and that will clearly be wave 5 but if we rebound off support and rally strongly higher than it is wave 3 of a new bear market rally that will last a while......either way, don't have too many shorts in your portfolio because market is finally ready to have a powerful "obama" rally....lol

ferndave
03-17-2009, 12:09 AM
Well, I don't think for sure we can say that wave 5 hasn't already been put in last week and if that is the case than the rally up to today was wave 1 of the start of wave B multi month long rally and if that is the case then wave 2 has begun today and could see an ABC decline like you mentioned but the bearish case is that........

Wave 4 of big wave A just completed and the start of the last leg wave 5 down is starting as of today??...........If this is the case then we will go straight down from here to the lows and likely surpass it and then the big wave B can start...........Who knows........let's let the market decide but watch this decline very closely.......If we break through supports like knife through butter watch out and that will clearly be wave 5 but if we rebound off support and rally strongly higher than it is wave 3 of a new bear market rally that will last a while......either way, don't have too many shorts in your portfolio because market is finally ready to have a powerful "obama" rally....lol

Interesting.

By my count, at least on the S&P, we're currently in or just finished small Wave 4 up and about to start small wave 5 and large wave 5 down. That's more in line with your second count.

hk_nt
03-17-2009, 01:58 AM
"The one thing that still bothers me is the put:call ratio being so low"

no worry, it is because after many US stocks dropped 90%+, put options bet look unattractive

cherithomas
03-17-2009, 04:40 AM
This old post by Cyclist is very interesting

Cyclist
In a contraction of credit,cash becomes more valuable.Gold will do well against other commodities or stockmarket.A 1:1 ratio will be happening around 2010.The Dow might retest its previous low of 7800 and might look at 6000 before it will take flight as it did in the Weimar republic.Bonds will have make a high this fall on a longterm bond cycle.Unfortunately the loosers will be the bond holders and pensionfunds.
The greatest irony just before the boomers retire

I liked this exchange...very interesting

Cyclist,
When you say Dow/Gold ratio working its way to 1:1 in 2010, where is that in terms of dollars.... 2,000:$2,000....5,000:$5,000......10,000:$10,000?

btw, I love this thread. I've become much better educated as to how the market's interact with each other because of your contributions. I'm glad you have kept it going


Originally Posted by BeeTea
I'll let Cyclist speak for himself as well, but I think the answer is: any of the above. The more the govt inflates the money and the economy to keep everything afloat, the higher the Dow will stay but also the higher POG will go. If they allow the Dow to deflate to 2000pts, then that's the ceiling on POG. If they print day and night to keep the Dow at 10000, then POG should get there too.

It's like the Ghostbusters thinking of Mr Stay-Puft. Whatever they think of, that's what shall come to destroy them. They think of Mr Stay-Puft, so a giant marshmallow man shows up. The Dow at 10000 in 2010 shall be "stay-puffed" indeed!

interesting analogy,it should be the symbol for the present goings on

jabat
03-17-2009, 10:18 AM
Another excellent call by Cyclist. Oil has gained almost $5 from yesterday's low.

MetalsKing
03-17-2009, 10:20 AM
As I have said I am a trader in this market environment, and I have now sold virtually all long oil related positions, which were mostly the gassy trusts of late. Made excellent % gains, they could go higher but I'm not a pig in these crazy times. No further comments on this exit are forthcoming, so do not bother asking.

MK

tcg1022
03-17-2009, 10:23 AM
As I have said I am a trader in this market environment, and I have now sold virtually all long oil related positions, which were mostly the gassy trusts of late. Made excellent % gains, they could go higher but I'm not a pig in these crazy times. No further comments on this exit are forthcoming, so do not bother asking.

MK


Considering exiting also but will set very tight SL instead and adjust upward accordingly. GL

MetalsKing
03-17-2009, 10:25 AM
Considering exiting also but will set very tight SL instead and adjust upward accordingly. GL

Adjusting tight stops upward is also a fine strategy.

MK

mespe
03-17-2009, 10:25 AM
I miss Cyclist's posts, I bypass most others, just to read what he has to say. I am not a trader, learned my leason long ago.

migold
03-17-2009, 10:33 AM
As I have said I am a trader in this market environment, and I have now sold virtually all long oil related positions, which were mostly the gassy trusts of late. Made excellent % gains, they could go higher but I'm not a pig in these crazy times. No further comments on this exit are forthcoming, so do not bother asking.

MK

Nothing wrong with a sure thing. They aren't profits until you take them!

Holding my gassy trusts for LT. On the fence wrt crude. Crude didn't drop from OPEC decision and is doing well against the volatile market. Approaching resistance around $48-50 and can really go either way. That should tell us a lot about where it is heading over the next few months. Will wait for the next cycle down or clearer indication before getting back into crude.

skylab
03-17-2009, 10:39 AM
As I have said I am a trader in this market environment, and I have now sold virtually all long oil related positions, which were mostly the gassy trusts of late. Made excellent % gains, they could go higher but I'm not a pig in these crazy times. No further comments on this exit are forthcoming, so do not bother asking.

MK

Any comments on your next vehicle to enter?
:)

MetalsKing
03-17-2009, 10:43 AM
Any comments on your next vehicle to enter?
:)

Being patient and waiting for another entry in gold and silver mining stocks.

MK

greenbeard
03-17-2009, 10:58 AM
I hear you, but oil has put in a bottom and this run could go to $70/bl without too much trouble imo. I don't know what kind of gains you consider excellent when the trusts are still near the lows.

As I have said I am a trader in this market environment, and I have now sold virtually all long oil related positions, which were mostly the gassy trusts of late. Made excellent % gains, they could go higher but I'm not a pig in these crazy times. No further comments on this exit are forthcoming, so do not bother asking.

MK

tcg1022
03-17-2009, 11:21 AM
Being patient and waiting for another entry in gold and silver mining stocks.

MK

Same here. May begin phasing into AUY BVN as well as others today while they appear to be down a few %. Will buy blocks of 10-15% on dips. Missed previous lows last week unfortunatly.

Just got knocked out of DXO with a a tight SL.

migold
03-17-2009, 11:46 AM
I hear you, but oil has put in a bottom and this run could go to $70/bl without too much trouble imo. I don't know what kind of gains you consider excellent when the trusts are still near the lows.

Crude still hasn't overcome resistance of $49 convincingly. I'd like to see it go through $50 with authority for it to go to $70. Otherwise, another cycle down 40-36 is not out of the cards.

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